Do you have trouble with basic English ?
That is what they do and try to do.
No I do not. So is self defense letting rockets rain down on your property? Why are you unable to answer any questions?
Lets start with simple questions:
1. If you neighbor was launching rockets into your back yard and killing your children what would you do?
2. Is self defense letting rockets rain down on your property?
3. Does Israel intentionally target civilians?
Please feel free to answer them.
Here is an interesting story…
Poll shows Palestinians support rocket attacks and want peace talks to end (International Herald Tribune, March 18, 2008)
You’re saying that my merely being born onto property that happens to reside in the USA constitutes me signing a contract?
And if I don’t want to obey the rules, I’m supposed to leave? Why can’t the tyrants in Washington just stop being tyrants?
Saying that you enter into a contract simply by living somewhere and telling me “you’re free to leave” is just a blank check for a systematic violation of rights.
On what basis do you claim that I’ve entered into some social contract?
Since that would involve coercing the part of the population that didn’t want the services of a military, how about those who want a military pay for it?
I don’t want a military.
Are you going to point a gun at me and force me to pay? It seems like that’s what you’re suggesting.
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Probably move, since I don’t want to be involved in a fight of that scale, and I don’t have the means to waste money on security.
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No, and it also isn’t sending dozens of tanks and dropping missiles on civilian targets.
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Sure seems like it, but I don’t know for sure obviously.
Can a rocket actually be fired in such a short distance?
Well since it lacks any defensive action then its not self-defense.
I’m sure there are other examples.
The neighbor does not have to be directly next to you and property can be all sizes.
So what would be self defense for this type of aggression?
They were not targeting civilians. They were hitting targets were they were fired on from, which happen to be civilian homes.
So your solution is that when someone attacks you and kills your family, you will leave.
They did not drop missles on civilian targets. I have no idea why this propaganda keeps being spread.
Of course it does if you don’t have the facts and only read propaganda.
I do agree that the collectivist machinery of israel does have some biases towards holding back abuse of power and death of innocents, i.e. israeli supreme court rulings and the legal regime in general, though this does more to protect israelis (jews, arabs, and others) than palestinians .
also the IDF, one imagines, has rules of engagement that distinguish between civilians and armed threats, whereas the evidence seems to be that there is a tendancy amongst the militant palestinians to view any and all israeli citizens as fodder; yet its hard to know what to say of the IDF’s rules of engagement since they are not published in public, but one might hope that soldiers are instructed to fire at no other time than when they are sure that they have a combatent who is an imminent threat to their lives )etc. and it does of course stand in contrast to those particular palestinians that kill other palestinians for non-violently ‘collaborating’ with ‘israel’; but still… firing rockets from helicopter gunships into busy gazan cities is a recipe for collateral damage, and i have a much lower tolerance for that than it seems the Israeli airforce do.
Just a note about the military and Ron Paul…
Ron Paul
- Captain, Flight Surgeon, U.S. Air Force, 1963-1965
- Captain, Flight Surgeon, U.S. Air National Guard, 1965-1968
libertarians don’t have objections to doctors per-se
A neighbor is someone who lives in close proxomity to you and I haven’t heard of a rocket designed only to fly a few feet.
Perhaps a device that triangulates the rocket? Perhaps a rocket that is ground to air?
So they aren’t targeting civilians…just shooting where civilians live…
IDF Rules of Engagement - Gaza
“The IDF rules of engagement during Operation Cast Lead were to fire at armed terrorists, but to avoid causing harm to uninvolved civilians. Before entering the Gaza Strip, Lt. A. had explained these rules to his soldiers and was adamant about making every possible effort to avoid harming uninvolved civilians. “It was very clear to everyone that we were entering the Gaza Strip in an attempt to create a situation in which the citizens of Southern Israel could sleep peacefully at night; inherent in our mission was the order to avoid causing harm to Palestinian civilians, their lives, and their property.” The guidelines specifically outlined for soldiers also demanded that civilians were given time to leave before forces fired at any building that contained terror operatives or weaponry."
Neighbor (Defined)
- One who lives near or next to another.
- A person, place, or thing adjacent to or located near another.
Property can vary greatly in size.
You have never heard of an RPG?
So destroying the rocket platform (in this case a human firing it) would not be self-defense?
If a man armed with a machine gun, goes into a school and opens fire from a window shooting at passing civilians, killing one and the police arrive. Do they have the right to fire at the man located where “children go to school”? Or are the police “shooting where children go to school”.
Why would your neighbor do that ?
No, what’s the point of making a ridiculous question ?
Most likely yes, like any military organization they murder anybody who crosses their path. Say, like the american military firebombing Tokyo.
well , israel doesnt intentionally or unintentionally target civilians. because israel is an abstract concept that can’t act. but individual ‘israelis’ do or dont do (intentional targetting) in some definite proportion. I suppose we leave it to the statisticians to determine…
Indeed - concepts don’t act
On the other hand, military organizations, i.e. soldiers and their ‘leaders’ do act and choose to target civilians or not. During the 20th century western governments and their military purposely engaged in the systematic massacre of civilians. I don’t think things changed much if at all.
agreed, but devils advocate…
the Pontifical Swiss Guard and the Waffen SS are on a continuum of bloodthirtsy…
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Neighbor (Defined)
- One who lives near or next to another.
- A person, place, or thing adjacent to or located near another.
Property can vary greatly in size.
You have never heard of an RPG?’
Well the ‘missle issue’ in Israel is over miles not feet.
Is it not their property and they cannot destroy it unless they prove in a court of law that it is violating their rights.
Well I would send in troops, not indiscrimantly shot the building with missles and morters in the hope you can kill the man without harming the children.
They do not like you.
In repsonse to your ridiculous assertion.
Try no and all military organizations are not the same. The firebombing of Tokyo has nothing to do with Israel.