“You’ve got ample opportunity to volunteer and kill innocent civilians in a foriegn land. You’ll also get paid to murder and be called a “hero”. What’s stopping you?”
Additionally, what do you think of the sign? Do you support these troops? Why not? How do you “support” them in your own way?
So do you support every death that has resulted from both the pre-emptive Iraq and Afghanistan wars?
You said you did… you supported the wars, so naturally you support the deaths of 1,000,000 + people, right? If not, why not?
If they want to protest the war, that’s their call. I already told you I’d be a lousy soldier. I’m short and not particularly physically strong. Probably get killed. I think I can do more good for this cause in other ways.
So again, how are you a minarchist? This position flies in the face of minarchy. People are minarchists because they believe in personal freedom, but don’t accept the utopian anarchic positions. It’s an ideological position based on reason, history, and morality. If you believe in taxation, regulation, inflation, military interventionism, then you’re not a minarchist or an anarchist. If You support warfare, regulation (order) but reject the complete ownership of property, then you’re a fascist. I don’t know what else to call you. Maybe we can invent your own classification?
It would be less awful if you moved to Israel and than espoused to such beliefs. If they were more important to you then America was at least. Your actions for staying here, in the states, seem to imply you love your home country more. So why you would want to harm your home’s and it’s citizen’s for the benefit of another?
It’s ironic that you detest Israel factories getting bombed, but support taxing the states to defend. Ultimately the effects of heavy taxation and bombing result in the exact same consequences, a destruction in wealth and capital.
EDIT: Btw, I’m not trying to call you a coward for not fighting. I am a deserter, but I don’t turn around and support coercing others into fighting a war.
If I’m a fascist, I’m a new kind of fascist. I’ve read Mussolini’s writings, I don’t agree with much of what he says. Too much, too strong, too statist. I’m statist but I’m not that statist by any means.
I’ve got a dislocated disc and a wracked up back I’m allergic to flowers and bugs And when the bombshell hits, I get epileptic fits And I’m addicted to a thousand drugs I got the weakness woes, I can’t touch my toes I can hardly reach my knees And if the enemy came close to me I’d probably start to sneeze
I’m only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen And I always carry a purse I got eyes like a bat, and my feet are flat, and my asthma’s getting worse Yes, think of my career, my sweetheart dear, and my poor old invalid aunt Besides, I ain’t no fool, I’m a-goin’ to school And I’m working in a DEE-fense plant
Ooh, I hate Chou En Lai, and I hope he dies, Onething you gotta see That someone’s gotta go over there And that someone isn’t me So I wish you well, Sarge, give 'em Hell! Kill me a thousand or so And if you ever get a war without blood and gore I’ll be the first to go
How many individuals would you try to kill over there? How many would you try take out, before they got you? 1, 2, 10, 100? Would you discriminate between men, women and children - or would you consider them all “the enemy”?
Don’t you believe individuals have a right to self defense? Against aggressors?
In what ways would you “support” this “cause”? Would you personally send money to help these hit men murder people?
Wouldn’t that make you a criminal though? You paid to have someone killed?
It’s complicated. I love America. But I’m a Jew. As for destroying wealth, the end results may be the same but bombing someone’s factory and taxing their output are very different in practical terms even if, in principle, the results are similar.
Hehe, how are you less of a statist than anyone else? Is it because you prefer to socialize war over healthcare? DOes that make you less of a statist? Or just a different type of statist, one with different preferences, one who seeks to exploit the masses for your own ends.
He is a coward. You took the much braver stance, of standing by your principles against the wrath of the state. Lesser men cower in the gutter, or do what this guy has done, become chicken hawks - who chant from the side lines, indirectly calling for and supporting the deaths of millions.
You have a strong emotional attachment to the state of Israel. Your own identity is attached to it, even through you admit that you’re not religious. You support the warfare state, regulation, inflationism, taxation, and probably some degree of welfare (don’t know how much). National socialism seems to be the best fit.
Since I’m in the mood for a “quasi-rant” of my own…
I prefer not to put labels on myself, by calling myself anarcho-capitalist, minarchist, anarchist, or anything else, just because I don’t like to put myself in some kind of box. I think associating yourself with any particular “school of thought” is just bland social conformity. The demand for conformity is especially strong on these forums, where you have to identify yourself as a disciple of some branch of libertarian thought and study various libertarian holy-books to be taken seriously.
What do I believe in? Well, I dislike the government–I dislike the very idea of government, particularly nation-states–and I’d rather see all governments disappear; but I think that people need to have a real concept of what freedom is for any revolution to have any real meaning. History is trashed with narratives of successful regime changes/revolutions, only for the revolutionaries and radicals to become the new tyrants of tomarrow. You just can’t trust anybody with positions of power; even industrial/economic power can be abused, which is why I view the ideology of “capitalist as ubermensch” with a healthy eye of skepticism.
I agree with nonviolence, noncoercion, and civil disobedience; but I also pay heed to practical concerns. I would far rather pay for a driver’s license than go to jail or else walk everywhere. I guess that makes me a sell-out to some extent.
Meh. National socialism maybe I dunno. I still think of myself as essentially a minarchist with a neo con foreign policy. And really, I’m not a big fan of the welfare programs. Those are a staple of national socialism as far as I know.