Doesn’t soy have estrogen or some female hormones in it?
You need to lift weights every day, and do cardio every day. Sometimes, I just go for a brisk walk in the morning. Just get your heart rate up. You don’t have to kill yourself. I can sleep through my cardio… 
I do morning and night walks every day for the last 10 years just cause. Without a gym, situps and push ups would be a good addition.
Who said that soy protein would be a good thing to eat?
Why does being a vegan trying to gain weight mean eating as much soy protein as possible?
Liberty, at least read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_(nutrient)#Sources
This is also a good introduction, even if it is not as science-y as I would like. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/hugo_newyear2.htm
I guess if you want to go out looking for plant proteins that have comparable BVs to meats, okay.
What does that have to do with anything?
Does grass really work well for cows because of how similar they are to it?
Or you could just eat things and see what happens.
What the hell is a BV% anyway? Are you just taking their word for it?
(I don’t have much respect for “nutrition science” or whatever you want to call it.)
Whats wrong with just eating more meat? It’s far healthier.
Agreed.
Nothing that I know of.
How do you know?
How do I know that eating meat is healthy?
No, you said “far healthier”.
If you want to retract that and replace it with “healthy”, then I will retract my question.
For Athelete’s, would you say that eating meat is only marginally more beneficial by comparison to plant proteins like soy? Especially when you consider everything else you posted above? Have you not read the vegan horror stories where people boycott meat in their diet’s? For an athlete I think “far” is a fair assessment, though obviously that is an opinion.
Obviously “far” is a subjective term. Though that type of nit picking could be applied any where. For example, I think that Austrian Economics is far more concise as opposed to Monetarism. How far? I don’t know. It’s an opinion I hold. Perhaps you don’t.
Your welcome to disagree, so whats the point to this pedantic interrogation?
I’m challenging calling it “healthier”, not specifically the “far”.
How does it even make sense to try to make a blanket statement like that?
Usually the word “vegan” refers to people who eat a lot of processed meat substitutes!
I’m challenging your ideas.
(Isn’t that one of the things that forums are for?)
I think this conversation is over.
I don’t particularly appreciate being walked into a trap.
Hm, why?
How’s that a trap?
You should probably re-read your posts to me and see where things may have been confusing.
I haven’t the time or energy for pettiness atm[early flight]. Your being coy, and I am not particularly interested in playing games. If you have a point to make I’d appreciate it. Otherwise you won’t get much else out of me.
I did, but didn’t find any traps.
I’m not really sure what you’re talking about, but you’re free to leave the conversation at any time.
What are your goals? There are goals to increase strength, to get bigger, to get faster, goals to lose weight, ect… Thats whats important, identifying what your goals are.
It’s IMHO that many allegedly scientific nutrition studies and books are more ideological than science(not all). Much of it is severely anecdotal or isolated studies that just contradict other historical isolated studies. It’s hard to take much of it seriously.
I consider myself fairly fit, and not meaning to sound pompous, I’d say I’m more fit than most avid gym goers. I can usually lift more, and run faster, but I am also aware of those who are faster or stronger than me, and I know what they’ve done to reach that level. I like to think I have a moderate idea of what to do, and if not at least where to get research to find out. If your interested we can carry this convo over to PM’s.