What if you can’t change the law?
Is there a difference between a random man walking up to you and saying “pay for his medicare” and a congressman walking up to you and saying the same?
Edit - And I believe I answered your question. If, in our situation, we choose that there is a law that said you have to pay, asking “does the law say I have to pay?” would be redundant.
All laws can be changed, even the ones in the Constitution.
Yes, there’s a difference. Can they enforce their edict? If so, then I’ll obey.
Sure they can be, but what if they’re not, specifically our medicare tax law?
Both the random man and the hypothetical congressman can enforce their edict. You will obey?
I meant a Nazi Germany kind of scenario where it is a popular specific case and you jews are backed into a corner. Would you do/say anything publicly?
I would try to get the law changed and if I couldn’t I would leave the country.
Where does the random man get his authority?
How would you get it changed if it was majority supported?
From the gun in his hand, maybe the mob he gathers, or his overly strong sense of solidarity. Who knows? Both parties are able to enforce their edicts. Will you obey?
And you neglected to answer my other question.
"‘It is anything but irrevelvant, it can be the difference between prosperity or Greece.’
It is irrelevant in the sense that it doesn’t matter where the notion ‘you have to pay’ is coming from. In either situation someone is forcing you to do something, and I want to know what he’ll do and how he feels about it."
It matters a lot who is forcing me to pay. The entire concept of legitiamcy comes to mind here.
"‘Yes, there’s a difference. Can they enforce their edict? If so, then I’ll obey.’
Both the random man and the hypothetical congressman can enforce their edict. You will obey?"
The random man has no legitamcy compared to the hypothetical congressman. You are overlooking the fact that governments depend on legitimacy to enact their legislations in society, it is when governments begin using violence rather than legitimacy that their rule is crumbling.
On a unrelated note, can anybody inform me how to use the quote function with this new format.
I wouldn’t. The mistake too many Jews made with Germany was to disbelieve that such a thing were possible and so many of them stayed until it was too late. I would not repeat that mistake. I would leave.
Iaminustacitus: So let’s say in both cases, a majority of people support their edicts. A small village supports the random man, and a state supports the congressman. I suppose having two separate entities is redundant. Both claim legitimacy. I’m interested in seeing what he’ll do.
And I’d like to know how to use the quote feature as well. Clicking the “Quote” link doesn’t do anything.
Well if he’s got a gun, yeah I’ll pay. And then I’ll go to the police about it. This is such a silly question imo.
So, if the whole planet was like that- nowhere to go- you would just sit there and await death in silence in some future year.
bloomj31: And if he has the majority of a town supporting him?
It is broken. To get around it, you have to highlight and copy the text, click on the “paste as plain text” box, paste into the box, and manually type
around the text, with no spaces.
Let me know if that makes sense.
Okay, that didn’t work! Once you have pasted in the “paste as plain text” box, you have to type [ quote ] and [ / quote ] (but with no spaces) around the block of text.
More trouble than it’s worth?
If there was no one who was willing to defend us or we couldn’t defend ourselves, I’d say that would be the endgame for the Jewish people.
Then I’ll definitely obey.
Merci beaucoup.