REAL free trade

Anyone who’s taken a class in economics or read about the subject for the last few decades at least has probably encountered David Ricardo’s ideal of “Free Trade,” which is, that tariffs and trade barriers make everyone poorer, and that nations should pursue their “comparative advantage,” that is, produce what they produce best.

But this theory was rejected for most of America’s history, right up to the middle of last Century. Henry Carey (1793 -1879), a prominent American economist, was among the most eloquent and influential opponents of what he saw as the “British System” of “free trade,” proposing instead what he called the “American system” of economic development. Carey was a follower of Alexander Hamilton’s views on foreign trade, supporting protectionism and high tariffs, among other policies.

In fact, Carey went so far as to denounce “trade” altogether. For Carey, “trade” meant a simple quid pro quo exchange; something is exchanged for something else. Rather than merely increasing trade, according to Carey, the proper aim of economic activity is the increase of ‘commerce,’ which Carey defined as economic development.

To use an individual example, a ditch digger who digs ditches in exchange for a wage could be said to be involved in what Carey would call “trade;” he trades 8 hours of labor a day for eight hours of wages a day. If the digger were to expand his working hours to 12 hours a day, all other things being equal, he obviously would be increasing the amount of ‘trade’ he is conducting. He would receive some additional benefits, such as more wages.

If the digger, on the other hand, kept his work level at 8 hours a day, and used his remaining time to become qualified to use a backhoe, then he may not have increased the amount of hours he trades for wages, but he has increased his commercially valuable skills.

For Carey, this is what real economic freedom is all about; not the freedom simply to trade with others*, freedom is being able to advance and improve and develop what is traded.* The freedom simply to trade, without the opportunity to advance, he did not consider to be real freedom. Carey saw ‘trade’ and commercial development as potentially antagonistic towards each other. Why? He simply agreed with David Ricardo on his theory of “comparative advantage.”

According to Ricardo’s theory, If Portugal is good at producing wine but poor at producing cloth, while England is good at producing cloth but poor at producing wine, then tariffs to protect British wine producers and Portuguese cloth producers make both nations poorer. This is all innocuous enough, but lets change the example to ‘England is good at producing cloth, while India or America are good at producing the cotton for the cloth.’ Far more value lies in producing finished cloth than in cotton farming.

According to Ricardo’s theory, India or America should simply produce cotton for export, while freely allowing imports of finished clothing from Britain. In other words, Britain’s colonies should remain agricultural or raw material exporters, because that is ‘what they were good at,’ and leave the Industrial Revolution to Europe. To apply Ricardo’s theory to an individual, it would seem to suggest that the ditch digger remain a ditch digger. This is why Carey opposed Ricardo’s “free trade;” as we can remember, what was important to Carey was not trade per se, but economic development. What was important to Carey is the question of how does the ditch digger develop skills to move beyond simple ditch digging, or how does a cotton exporter develop its economy beyond simple cotton plantations.

Carey’s proposed solution was to limit foreign competition in American markets through tariffs, which would (and did) allow American enterprises to grow and eventually compete internationally with the best of European products. Nothing is more heretical than proposing this today, but consider again the case of the individual; how does the individual advance from his ‘current comparative’ advantage to a new and more productive one? He does so by entering, for a period, a place where there is no market competition; a school. While in a school, students may compete for better grades amongst each other, but they are not expelled for not being as efficient as the current market. They are not expected to be; the entire idea is that they will develop their economic skills they become competitive on the market.

Carey’s national policy was basically similar; protect fledgling American industries from foreign competition until they can compete internationally, because just like almost no one can enter the marketplace directly without a period of protected development in school, likewise almost no new domestic industry can develop in an established field without a period of protectionism. Carey saw “free trade” as propaganda cover used by nations (or corporations) with the most advanced industries to keep their advantages at the expense of less advanced nations; in other words, simple economic imperialism.

Carey’s policies of high tariffs were abandoned after World War II, in part because America didn’t need them, most other developed economies lying in ruins after the war. Since the 1970’s and the introduction of GATT, NAFTA, the WTO etc, Carey’s ideas have been totally abandoned, with the result that America has lost most of its manufacturing to the third world and only maintains its standard of living through borrowing and military aggression to prop up the dollar. In my mind, this lends strong support to his theories, whatever hypothetical or theoretical objections might be posed.

The fact that we never even hear the argument for protectionism is disturbing, and might point to the total domination multinational corporations have over our information flows. Multinational corporations, of course, are today the biggest beneficiaries of “free trade,” and would be the biggest losers of a revival of traditional American economic thought. Before I started reading him, I’d certainly never heard of any economist saying ‘no to trade, yes to development.’

The main problem I have with comparativa advantage is the whole concept of nation and national state.

In a stateless there would only be individual trade deficit and surplus, and comparitive advantage issues would disappear, since your consumption could only be proportional to your production.

But a state can stimulate big group of people inside a given territory into some extreme deficit (consuming much more than it produces, like the USA) or surplus (producing a lot without having access to equivalent consumption, like China) thru Central Banks and other ways of intervention.

What do you think of the concept of a “race to the bottom?”

No problem with that as long it follows the whole supply and demand of a certain job. When a job wage becomes to low due to a lot of people willing to do it, it means people should look for other things to do that society may value and reduces the incentives to folks stop seeking for the “over crowded” job.

Of course to union guys there is no sin worse than being willing to work hard for less.

According to Ricardo’s theory, India or America should simply produce cotton for export, while freely allowing imports of finished clothing from Britain. In other words, Britain’s colonies should remain agricultural or raw material exporters, because that is ‘what they were good at,’ and leave the Industrial Revolution to Europe.

Total non-sequitur. The people of India should have access to the cheapest possible clothing so they can use the greatest possible surplus production to expand their productivity or to build up new competitive industries. For example, with the money they made selling cotton, they can either improve their cotton farming to become even more efficient and profitable, or they can build up fledgling industries in fields that are not overcrowded already.

If they imposed tariffs on British clothes, they would have to invest a lot more (or more precious) resources into producing domestic clothes which, in turn, would limit their capacity to increase other forms of investment. I don’t see how anyone will benefit from this.

Carey’s proposed solution was to limit foreign competition in American markets through tariffs, which would (and did) allow American enterprises to grow and eventually compete internationally with the best of European products.

This might be so, but what’s the point? If Europe is great at building ships, wouldn’t it be smart if America bought those ships and developed a merchant fleet instead of wasting a lot of resources to become as good at ship-building as Europe?

how does the individual advance from his ‘current comparative’ advantage to a new and more productive one? He does so by entering, for a period, a place where there is no market competition; a school.

Actually, he does so by producing competitive goods or services, saving some of his surplus production and then using them to hone his skills or buy new and efficient equipment. Without this process, no school could be funded.

However, school is not a free pass to become competitive nor is it a replacement for actual work. Some kids spend nearly 20 years in some form of school these days, but in all this time, they do not develop a marketable skill set. All these years, they consume valuable surplus production only to start working at McDonald’s when they are in their mid-twenties. Your hint that government needs to provide education for a nation to become economically competitive does not reflect the reality of the situation.

Since the 1970’s and the introduction of GATT, NAFTA, the WTO etc, Carey’s ideas have been totally abandoned, with the result that America has lost most of its manufacturing to the third world and only maintains its standard of living through borrowing and military aggression to prop up the dollar.

New factories open in the US every year. Others are closed. The job market changes, always has been, always will. A more thorough analysis of the motives for global job transfers would be required in this case.

This might be so, but what’s the point? If Europe is great at building ships, wouldn’t it be smart if America bought those ships and developed a merchant fleet instead of wasting a lot of resources on becoming as good at ship-building as Europe?

Then America could be like China in the 19th Century, which could only make old fashioned junks while Europe developed modern navies (in protected industries).

The end result was a a British naval assault on China, wherein Britain forced China to accept “free trade” in British opium.

That’s how “free trade” and “comparative advantage” work in the real world.

We will not get anywhere like that.

Our first dispute was of a theoretical, economic nature. Instead of addressing the validity of my economic theory, you’re now using the belligerence of modern states as a point of critique.

What will it be, Benjamin? Global politics or economics?

Benjamin,

I’m glad you put “free trade” and “comparative advantage” in quotes since it wasn’t really free trade and comparative advantage.

History Lesson:

Carey was a protectionist who despised Bastiat, and made his career writing books about how much Bastiat should be ignored.

In fact, the popularity of Carey’s nonsense world-wide actually contributed to regimes such as Japan’s nationalisti-socialist fraction gaining the upper hand over Japan’s liberal (Jiyu) fraction in politics. And guess to what kind of ‘development’ that led to? (Hint? Monopolization of Japanese industry with massive expansion of the military.) Carey, List, and the German Historical School as a model of Japanese development (post-1900 to WWII) directly led to World War 2.

So much for development.

The logic of comparative advantage applies whether we are talking about states, households, or individuals. The fact that some states in the past have been protectionist and created wealth no more disproves comparative advantage than the existence of Muggsy Bogues disproves that theory that height is an asset for playing basketball.

Global politics or economics?

They can’t be separated; global politics is mostly about economics. States are often belligerent to achieve their economic goals.

But economically, just because America isn’t good at making ships today doesn’t mean America can’t be good at making ships 10 years from now. I think thats the main fallacy of Ricardo’s theory; it implies that if you’re only have low value skills or industries today, you should keep plugging away at it rather than try to reach for something better that you’re currently non-competitive at.

But just like getting good at something takes an active policy at an individual level, it takes an active policy at a national level, at least in established markets. I would argue that “free trade” is an active national policy, one that favors established market players at the expense of new or potential entrants. It argues, “leave it to the people who are good at it, rather than trying to become good at it yourself.”

Obviously there are limits on this, no one should try to develop in an area they have no potential.

But economically, just because America isn’t good at making ships today doesn’t mean America can’t be good at making ships 10 years from now.

There’s also no reason why cheap ships should be outlawed so that some Americans can have a shot at becoming rich with ships, too, at the expense of the ship-buying population at large.

it implies that if you’re only have low value skills or industries today, you should keep plugging away at it rather than try to reach for something better that you’re currently non-competitive at.

Absolutely not! If a new market opportunity presented itself, Mr. Ricardo would in all likelihood have been pleased to see a currently non-competitive nation make use of it. What he argued against was the desire by some of his contemporaries to beat the market into submission by forcing people to support unprofitable (under normal market conditions, that is) business ventures.

I would argue that “free trade” is an active national policy, one that favors established market players at the expense of new or potential entrants.

Free trade is a policy that enables individuals within a nation to unleash the greatest potential of the surplus productivity available to them. It is an emancipatory, progressive policy in the true meaning of these terms.

If a new market opportunity presented itself

Right exactly, for Ricardo, we have to wait for “the market” to give us permission to act. But no one really behaves like this on an individual level; people don’t become doctors or founders of companies just because a “market opportunity” presented itself. Instead, they spent years of operating at a loss getting to the position where they could take advantage of a market opportunity.

Doctors become doctors because they spend 10 years non-competitively training for it; Bill Gates founded Microsoft because he spent years non-competitively fiddling with computers for years to get good at it.

Yeah, you have to give support to fledgling industries if you want to have any successful ones in your area, just like birds have to give support to fledgling birds if they want to have any new birds in their area.

Carey’s argument is absurd. First, the motivation for an employee to improve his marketable skills has its roots, like all innovations in a market economy, in competition. The distinction between competition on an global basis versus an intra-national basis is a completely arbitrary judgement that stems from the balance-of-trade pissing contest between the institutionalized self-interests of competing nation states. Technology’s effect on communication and the cost of transportation has made ours a truly global economy and, short of a further exercise of government control, this will only reverse if the cost of transporting goods across oceans becomes prohibitive.

Second, the labourer is also a consumer. What sane person would accept a higher price for a good produced domestically when a perfectly adequate, cheaper substitute can be found abroad? And what sane person would accept the argument that the reason they have to pay this higher price is so Joe Textile worker in Whereeverthefuck, USA can demand more for his wage?

Who benefits from a drop in supply of both labour and goods?

benjamin nafta is a bunch of tariff not free trade

"Right exactly, for Ricardo, we have to wait for “the market” to give us permission to act. But no one really behaves like this on an individual level; people don’t become doctors or founders of companies just because a “market opportunity” presented itself. Instead, they spent years of operating at a loss getting to the position where they could take advantage of a market opportunity.

Doctors become doctors because they spend 10 years non-competitively training for it; Bill Gates founded Microsoft because he spent years non-competitively fiddling with computers for years to get good at it.

Yeah, you have to give support to fledgling industries if you want to have any successful ones in your area, just like birds have to give support to fledgling birds if they want to have any new birds in their area. "

wow really

Ricardo’s law of comparative costs is true by definition and is not an empirical observation (though it can be easily verified). This theory does not explain how nations engage in international trade but rather how they should deal with international trade if they wish to maximize surplus (wealth). Simply put, producing everything on your own is absolutely inefficient; you should produce what you can produce efficiently, specialize, and then exchange for goods that you need/desire. This law is the underlying cause of all economic phenomena and is the inevitable result of inherent differences amongst individuals and nations (it is why markets and firms emerge). Furthermore, comparative advantages are not static, they can change over-time (dynamic comparative advantages).

Self-sufficiency is anti-economic. I don’t know how else to put it. What you’re talking about is one of the possible exceptions to free-trade, namely the “infant industry” hypothesis, which claims that developing nations should, at least in the very short run, pursue protectionist policies in order to cultivate their domestic industries. There is very little theoretical support for this theory. Free-trade makes everyone wealthier, even when it’s “unfair trade” (to use clumsy laymen terminology).

If the UK is better at producing cloth and the US better at producing cotton, then American cotton-growers have every right to reinvest their profits into cloth-production or other industries. To say that the government ought to impose trade tariffs in order to somehow subsidize industry is simply ridiculous. Besides all of the obvious public choice problems with such a tax/subsidize plan, how would government bureaucrats have any idea about which industries to subsidize and how much? Also, think of all of the transaction costs incurred: in order to redistribute money from importers to exporters (or national “infant” industries), bureaucrats need to be hired and paid wages and businesses have to file for special paperwork and deal with the tariffs, etc. The end result is more harm than good.

Who benefits from a drop in supply of both labour and goods?

Well, everyone, if the drop in the supply of labor and goods results in increased economic development.

The supply of labor and goods would be higher if children started work at the age of 12. So who benefits from the fact they don’t?

Well, everyone in the society does. The children benefit because they get to spend time maturing and learning instead of flipping burger or doing manual work in a factory, like in the bad old days. Employers benefit because they get workers who can read, write, use computers and do math, not stunted drones. Simply, everyone benefits.

If tariffs allow Textile factories where the used to be only Cotton plantations, then the economic productivity of that region has just been increased. High value finished goods are now being created where formerly there were only raw materials. More jobs will be available in that region and more wages will be paid. If you live in that region, you’ll probably benefit from the higher average wage levels too if you’re a worker, and you’ll probably have more customers if you’re a business owner, since the people around you are wealthier.

Competition is essential, but so is its opposite, cooperation. Tariffs are regional economic cooperation to achieve general economic development, as opposed to competition to produce only trade. If your neighbors business succeeds, it benefits you in ways the success of a business far away does not. Tariffs are regional agreements to encourage buying from others within the region - an example of regional cooperation.

In other words, if your options are a $2 local product or a $1.50 multi-national-corporation product, you’re personally better off with the $1.50 M.N.C. product. But if the cash from the local product stays circulating in the local economy (say, the local business owner spends it at the local bar, whose employees then spend it at the local grocery, etc), while the $1.50 from the M.N.C. product gets wired to the Cayman Islands at the end of every week, the town will be richer as a whole if they put a $0.60 tariff on the M.N.C. product (and use the proceeds to build a bridge).

Additionally, the M.N.C. might be charging $1.50 only because they’re getting a subsidy of their own. If your town doesn’t do the same for your own, the only result will be you lose. That’s what’s happened to Mexico, they let their government agree to let in subsidized U.S. corn but not to subsidize their own corn. Result; all Mexican corn farmers go bankrupt. These days Mexican corn farmers are called “illegal immigrants.”

henry carey, huh? if i was a betting man i’d say the op just finished reading some larouchite propoganda and really liked what he saw.

this “real” free trade he speaks of is just plain old mercantilism.