Robert Wenzel (if that is even his name), the pro-IP plagiarist liar

The rabbit hole goes deeper… a lateral continuation of the Kinsella v. Wenzel thread that I thought it was worth a new one since it’s kind of a new topic, and the other thread is already on page 3…

This is just beautiful…

I may have found the Drudge formula and Raymond Nize

I love how he also points out that “his whole [Mises Institute] talk is long block quotes from cited sources”…hmmm. Sounds a lot like a certain debate he was involved in recently. LOL Seriously, you just have to read this.

And it’s already getting picked up (notice Kinsella is linking a different blogger)…

Stephan Kinsella shared a link.4 hours ago near Houston, TX

Okay … this is spooky-weird. Someone just sent me this. Holy crap. I thought Wenzel (the guy I “debated” with recently) was an odd character but this is positively … well, read for yourself. Jesus. The world is filled with … “interesting” characters…

Who The Hell Is Robert Wenzel From EconomicPolicyJournal.com Really?
chrislbecker.com
clb note: Only readers of EconomicPolicyJournal.com will really find this post interesting, so I’ve snipped it in half. Click the link to read the rest.

That’s awesomely hilarious! I wonder what Stephan truly thinks about this, and I wonder how Robert/Raymond will react to this.

But why?

And whattya know…

http://www.google.com/search?q=nize+site:economicpolicyjournal.com

You honestly think no one has submitted a single comment?

I always did find it weird that there never seemed to be any images of him anywhere. Even when he was listed as a named member of the Revolution PAC advisory board, he was the only one without a photo. (Those blank spaces are just where the Wayback Machine did not capture the images…but they were there.)

I guess we now know why the guy never wanted to show his face anywhere.

To be honest I actually did think about this when I noticed someone mention he gave a speech at the LvMI. It was the first thing I thought of actually: “he showed his face…he’s out there now.” It blew me away to see a video recording of the speech right up there on the Institute’s YouTube channel. (Notice how on every single written source that talks about him, all the blogs, any article…the photo provided is a screenshot from that lecture.)

Judging by the most popular comment on that YouTube video, I’m not the only one who noticed this odd lack of visibility.

Full damage control mode for Wenzel/Nize now. I’m guessing:

  1. Fewer comments overall as a result of people abandoning his site.
  2. Comments from people pointing to anti-IP hypocrisy, plagiarism, and Wenzel-Nize connection.

Pseudonyms and setting up a range of related websites in the hopes one gets popular isn’t that uncommon. I’ve read SEO articles that promote doing just that (usually to fool Google, but that’s off topic).

But when you finally make it and get your invitation to deliver a speech at the Mises Institute,

  1. Fess up and use your real name. Libertarians, of all people, would understand the use of a pseudonym for online purposes.
  2. Don’t plagiarize the hell out of your prepared speech, especially when you take a pro-IP position.

So what does he do now? Any guesses?

  • Confess and carry on EPJ?
  • Come out on the Kinsella side of IP, since he’s spends all day copy/pasting articles and copy/pasted his LVMI speech?
  • Quietly start up EconomicsNewsReportFormula.com, run by Roger Steve Kinzel?

This is beyond entertaining, but I actually feel a little bad for the guy. I did go to his site all the time and found it useful as a news aggregator/Krugman basher.

And to think, he could have prevented all of this by avoiding the IP topic altogether, or at least not acting like a complete jerk to Kinsella for 2.5 hours.

No, none of the above. He’s too well-known now to try to slip into a new identity. The libertarian community is where virtually all of his bread is buttered. He has nothing else. It’s not like he could just pivot to some other field of focus, or some other audience, or even some other line of work, really. All he knows is how to quote Austrian economists. So there’s really no way for him to try and start fresh with something else. Plus EPJ is too popular to walk away from (especially at this point), even with everything seeming to be crumbling.

I seriously doubt he’ll confess, but he’ll no doubt just keep pumping out posts on EPJ. That’s what he always does. It sure seems like it’s all he does. It’s all he knows.

There’s no way to try to spin this; no matter how you go about it, it looks bad…so he’ll just do the obvious and ignore it.

But yes, I foresee his traffic diminishing, and EPJ perhaps surviving for quite some time, but as a shell of its former self. I have little doubt he won’t see the kind of income he’s seen in the past, and certainly not the growth. He may find some way to sensationalize something every now and then and get some attention, but he’s far too limited in range and skill to really branch out in any other way…which is why even after so many years, and building up essentially a bare-bones default Blogspot template to one of the most traffic-ed libertarian websites, his greatest accomplishment is giving a speech at the LvMI. (And another to two guys in the Liberty Room of the Federal Reserve building over lunch, of course.)

Diddo, but honestly to the degree I feel bad, it’s only out of a general human sensibility, deep deep down. Overall I feel that he’s getting only a small portion of what he deserves (although I admittedly do not know the full extent of everything going on with his life). He brought all this on himself. It’s his castle of shit that he built, and now that the wind started blowing a little, it’s (predictably) turning into a shitstorm. That’s what happens. And what’s more, he’s the one who voluntarily started heating the air, with all his childish attacks and tirades, and never being able to leave anything alone and move on.

He basically asked for this.

I suppose that’s what happens when someone with a self-esteem/ego problem, who has to make up identities to throw against the wall to see what sticks, and make up lies to try and gain traction, finally starts getting some of the attention they crave…it gets to their head, and they get sloppy and careless. And start digging their own grave.

Bingo.

Raymond Nize has also posted here:

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2006/08/paying_for_park.html

You know, all we need is someone who owns a blog where the Raymonds posted to check their IPs…

Raymond Sabat is already confirmed:

Will real estate prices crash the way internet stocks did? Recently two economists from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York completed a study contending that despite the dramatic rise in housing prices there is no housing bubble. Raymond Sabat of EconomicBriefing.com has examined the report written by these two economists and discovered a glaring error which caused them to reach faulty conclusions.

Sabat explains that the record climb in housing prices is, indeed, a bubble and that the Federal Reserve study fails to consider past declining interest rates as a cause of the bubble. The faulty conclusions reached by Federal Reserve economists Jonathan McCarthy and Richard W. Peach may make many potential new home buyers comfortable about a purchase, when, in fact, we are very near the top of a housing market that will experience substantial declines in prices.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/07/prweb139947.htm

Bob Murphy mentions the following in an older post of his:

http://murphymagic.blogspot.com/2008/10/robert-wenzel-man-myth-legend.html

Last July Wenzel explained that it was ridiculous to expect the Fed to police financial markets going forward, because the smarty-pants Fed economists didn’t even recognize the housing bubble as such before it popped. To prove this, Wenzel points to a 2004 paper [pdf] by Jonathan McCarthy and Richard W. Peach, titled “Is There A Bubble in The Housing Market Now?”

One last thing: If you follow the links above, you’ll see that it’s not “Robert Wenzel” but rather “Raymond Sabat” who penned the prescient critique. Wenzel explains that this is because of his sensitive work commitments at the time.

Original:

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2008/07/government-isnt-god-fdic-sticks-banks.html

Ah yes, of course.

Holy smokes. What at first seemed like a shameful waste of 2.5 hours has turned into the gift that keeps on giving. It’s too bad no one in real life gives a flip about my libertarian drama, but the intrigue and mystery is almost too much to keep bottled up. I gotta tell someone about how Wenzel isn’t who he claims to be!!

Ahh good ol’ Reddit…

Gossip: 1. Wenzel is an idiot. 2. Wenzel is a plagiarist. 3. Wenzel is… not Wenzel? 8 former aliases revealed.

But seriously, this is incredible. I can’t think of deserts more just than this, and so speedy! I guess I’m so used to statist courts that I forget how quickly and mercilessly the market can mete out justice.

This is nice. Finally somebody joins me in critiquing his Soviet Union lecture. So he actually repeated whole sections of Wikipedia? Some scholar!

And he had posted he was going to produce an “expanded hard copy version”, too funny! And what would that be, one of them Wikipedia books?

As I said when it came out, nothing about it struck me as establishing Wenzel as any kind of an expert on the topic (or even just well-read on it), but was in fact glaringly superficial, as well as inaccurate in places.

Link.

Also just in the part of the speech the blog post John James linked highlights is, of course, an inaccuracy.

Wenzel (repeating what he had learned on Wikipedia):
Category 1: to be executed
Category 2: to be incarcarated
Category 3: to be deported to Soviet hinterlands

Which is wrong. Actually:
Category 1: to be executed or incarcarated, quota set at 60,000 individuals
Category 2: to be deported to Soviet hinterlands, quota set at 150,000 households - in fact the plan was overfullfiled
Category 3: to be forcefully expropriated and resettled within their home district
Source: The Unknown Gulag by Lynne Viola.

Oh snap! Wenzel admits to being Raymond Sabat: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2008/07/government-isnt-god-fdic-sticks-banks.html

Was that supposed to be some kind of ironic IP/plagiarism joke?

Lol. I went down the rabbit hole before I saw WheyWhey’s follow up post.

EDIT: Btw, on FB, Kinsella linked to your post. Congrats! Wenzel links to Smiling Dave while Kinsella links to you lol

Don’t know about you guys, but I think that means I win.

In truth SD wasn’t just linked, he was cited and commented on.