No doubt about that. But what nationalists/racists/white supremacists/whatever, fail to realize is that, if judged by libertarian standards, the anglo-saxon world is just as screwed as the third world. Just take a look at the things that happened during the 20th century. For instance, the US was the key ally of the most brutal communist dictatorship on earth. I’m sure the paleocons can blame the wetbacks for that ? Maybe roosevelt and churchill came from mexico ?
Latin American governments do not differ from any other government. What’s your point? Are you really this racist? Srsly?
Goddamn.
Wasn’t Hoppe’s point ironically to increase the amount of homogenous ethnic city states?
You racists reallly like to contradict yourselves, don’t you?
What does it matter what they want to secede for? They want to secede! They support secession! More than I can say for you WASPs.
Paleocons have been more vocal than any other group regarding Roosevelt and Churchill. In fact, a paleocon like Pat Buchanan has made it the mission of his recent books to expose Churchill for what he really is.
It’s easy for you to throw around blame, but I don’t see Libertarians saying squat about Churchill or Roosevelt. In fact, I don’t see them commenting politically very much at all!
You are purposely missing the point, no ? I’ll say it again. The American experiment in self-government is an almost complete failure. The people who destroyed liberty in America were and are mostly WASP. Get it now ? Racism is a double edged-sword.
Hush now Nicky. The grownups are discussing things.
Instead of thwop-thwopping around in your clown shoes, desperately trying to be the center of attention, have a seat and pay attention.
No, not purposely.
I agree.
You’re probably right, although I am sure there are contingents that have plenty of blame for Jews, Catholics and secular statists as well.
I think so. I don’t necessarily agree with your racial profiling, but I get where you are coming from.
Indeed it is. I can honestly say that I am barely racist if at all. I’m part asian, part eastern european. I try not to judge people by race or religion groups, because I don’t like people seeing me that way. I think you have been race baiting the illegal immigrant issue, because you are trying to use it to bolster a preconceived position on Ron Paul, not because it has any particular merit.
I am aware of reverse racism, and do not approve of that either. Seems to me that Paul gets blamed a lot for being white, if he was black like Walter Williams, would everyone be holding him to the same standard on immigration? I highly doubt it.
I am glad to hear you will think about it. Unlike one person on this thread you seem to be open minded and willing to explore new ideas. I appreciate that in you. J
The American Experiment is not in self-government but in credal nationhood or, more specifically, multicultural democracy. It is a time-limited experiment, and it is coming to an end, and with the American empire’s break-up into its constituent nations, we will finally be reversing a two-century process of centralization begun, as you note, by American WASPs. The point being missed though is that the very process of centralization is a manifestation of WASP nationalism. Since white ethnic pride has been effectively outlawed, they transfer their loyalties to the white-dominated US central state. As their hold on power in the US central state decreases, so too will white loyalty to the US state. The good news in all this of course is that with the break-up of the US empire and its financial default, we will finally be laying the groundwork for a free society. Of course, just because an empire’s constituent nations support secession doesn’t mean they support a free society. Scotland, for example, will shortly be a socialist pit. I would hope though that competition for human and financial capital will temper any such tendencies here.
I am getting a feeling of déjà vu but here goes. Is your goal the “rule of law” or is your goal “liberty”?
It is not often that I outright call someone a racist. That term is used too lightly in our ultra-P.C. society today. I tend to be very cautious when using this term. However, I am thinking I may do so before this thread is over.
You linked to the HACER site in support of your arguments, so you tell me. I would venture to say though that without a common ethic of rights in property, then property goes to whoever can muster the most machete-wielding family members. In such an unpredictable environment, people don’t invest in upkeep or technology and capital flees in search of more stable business environments. You are then at perfect liberty to die of infectious disease in your impoverished, subsistence-level economy.
Won’t bother me a bit. “Racist” is what they call you when they can’t say you’re wrong or a liar.
Do you equate “common ethic of rights in property” with “rule of law”? Why or why not?
No. I wasn’t attacking Paul in particular. What I find almost ridiculous is the argument that illegal immigrants are the reason why the welfare state is a problem. The fact is, the welfare state was created by the mostly ‘WASP’ elites for their own ends.
If America was a laissez-faire society, then it would attract libertarian minded people. However, if the rules of the game are mostly statist rules (and those rules have been laid out by the local oligarchy) it seems a bit unfair(and misleading) to blame immigrants.
“They” is not who I am. I have stated I think the term is used far too often and too lightly. I have stated that I think our society is far too P.C. Here is my test: Can you back up this claim you made in an earlier post with facts. Not opinions, not anecdotes, but facts:
Juan, you are really starting to drive me crazy. This is an attack Ron Paul thread. You can’t just post anything you want anywhere. That would be anarchy. We need order! [:P]
I agree! We agree Juan! You can put down the shotgun and give me a big hug fella! We’re on the same side. In fact, Ron Paul is too, but he’s old and skinny, so if you hug too hard, he might get hurt.
Paul argues that the welfare state creates illegal immigration, not the other way around! He doesn’t want to round up people and throw them out, he wants to shut down the welfare state, but particularly as it pertains to illegal immigrants, and trusts that without that incentive, many will return home. This is because he recognizes that welfare in this scenario, comes before immigration! Smart man!!
Paul doesn’t blame immigrants, advertisements or flyer from his incompetent staff notwithstanding. Paul blames the system. As do I. We’re all here to Rage Against the Machine. Not to Rage Against the Mexicans.
When did the multicultural experiment begin ? 1776 ? I don’t think that the American gov’t was always interested in enforcing multiculturalism though ?
What constituent nations are those ? Also, my point about WASPs is that ‘they’ are not genetically libertarian, so to speak. If they were, then they would be fighting against gov’t instead of working for it. One more example of racist ideas not making sense.
I don’t think so. Government just grows. It’s in its nature. WASP nationalism may be one of its ideological justifications, but not necessarily the main one.
Well, that may be a theory. It doesn’t sound very convincing to me, though.
I just suggested you have a drink.
Koolaid is delicious. By the way, don’t you have a job to be at? I mean, you’re such a big man taking care of your family… Or are you just sitting here receiving welfare.
Finally, something we can agree on!
Yes, I am sitting here receiving welfare. I am receiving welfare intravenously.