Ron Paul isn’t very accurate on the issue of illegal immigration. There’s also a lot of myths that go around about it, like them not paying taxes, they DO pay their taxes, the most people that don’t pay their taxes are wealthy Americans with swiss bank accounts.
Ron Paul is fuzzy on several issues. It’s part of the job of a politician.
But don’t think paying taxes is heroic. Funding wars and welfare is not the sign of an advanced society, it is the sign of a primitive one.
about Ron Paul: dunno
about them paying or not, dunno.
What I’m saying is that I can’t discuss those parts of your post, from ignorance. I am really here just to ask you for some info about the last thing you said:
Can you please post a link that gives the evidence that most people that don’t pay their taxes are wealthy Americans etc?
I wouldn’t consider Ron Paul any kind of authority on anything.
The whole ‘ideal’ of illegal immigration is wonky, at best. Immigration is just ‘moving from one place to another’. Which is essential to liberty, in my opinion. To be able to move, wherever, whenever, so long as you aren’t invading property rights.
Ron Paul wants to give NO amnesty to 10+ million people, and forcibly remove them from the country. He wants to ‘initiate’ the use of physical force upon a people who, for all intensive purposes, wanted to live a freer life, a people who haven’t initiated its use against the “legal” population. All because they are breaking the law? [insert plenty of curse words here]
Well the stigma I have against illegal immigrants, is the whole lot of the ones coming from Mexico. They generally bring drugs and crime to the Southern parts of CA. Also, Spanish will be the official language of the U.S in the year 2020 if this continues. That is the takeover of another culture, a huge loss of American Sovereignity.
Also, Americans have to compete harder for jobs against illegal immigrants since they can work for less. They get all the welfare benefits such as hospitals, general welfare, Social Security, ect and some get it for free without paying for it.
Southern CA is a WRECK, you’ll see that there’s a lot of poverty,illiteracy, gangs, and drugs.
Also, I really don’t mean this in a racist sense, but I have not met any hispanic that isn’t heavily involved in drugs or other problems, and are generally shitty member of a community. Maybe its just where I live, but all the Mexicans here do drugs, and the females get pregnant at the age of 13. I feel like it would be an insult of these were the kinds of people that dominated our culture.
It could just be where I live(Connecticut) however, I haven’t met any that have actually come here for our better “freedoms” and “life”, but to do drug business and because its easy to come here illegally.
RP is a Republican.
Most of the guys that I have dealt with are genuinely good guys who have sacrificed a great deal to get here. From the discussions with the fellas that I have worked with, getting here is not easy. To get across the border they have to pay a “coyote” which can amount to thousands of dollars. Don’t forget in mexico a thousand dollars is an astronomical amount of money for the average Mexican. Once accross the border, many have to hike accross some of the most desolate places in North America. I also have some buddies who like to go hunt ranches in West Texas. They have come back with second hand stories about shootings in the back country that no one will ever know about. Once the “illegals” reach a city or town they have to arrange for transportion to where ever they think the jobs are. Its not “easy” by any strech of the imagination. Some of these guys do become corrupted once they get here and find out how to game the system, but by and large these are good hard working people.
We as americans have created the so called immigration problem with our welfare state. Minimum wage make certain jobs impossible to fill legally. This creates a demand for illegal labor. Welfare assistance has created a domestic workforce that is inflexible and nonmobile. This has created a demand for labor outside the welfare system that is willing to travel thousands of miles to find work. There are countless things that government and good intentions has done to discourage americans from working and encouraging “illegals” to cross the border to work. So to blame the illegals for any problems is ,in my mind, insane. These guys come from poverty that is almost nonexistant in the states. They are attempting to better themselves and support their families. They are doing exactly what made america great. Working and trying to be productive. We should take some notes.
Everyone should be an immigrant once in their life as a lesson in humility. IMO, the anti-immigrant (xenophobic) attitude is synonymous with statism.
The state makes everything into a zero sum game. And so people begin to see any change as a lose-lose situation for them, unless someone else is being punished or deprived.
A free marketer should welcome new labour resources into the market, not see them as a disadvantage.
Makes you wonder what Mexico is like, if people are willing to go through what you describe to escape it and work below minimum wage here.
The funny thing is that I am a bit xenophobic, lol. Or maybe its not so funny. From a cultural point of veiw I see a great deal of danger is the mass influx of people from Latin America. I hate to see local cultures slowly be replaced. The South has seen a great deal of cultural change over the past 60 years. Some of it good, but much of it bad. But the guys who come here are simply trying to make the best out a situation that is controled by elites in the US and Mexican governments. I refuse to blame them for doing what is best for themselves. I think that the immigration discussion is this coutry needs to focus on those who are truly responisble for the “illegal” problem. That would be our government for creating the environment that encourages the mass influx of workers.
Of course my information is going to be a bit biased. I have gotten it all from the people who were so fed up with Mexico that they risked life and limb to get here. But the general concensus is that it is difficult the find permanent work, the police and government, in general, is highly corrupt. Stories about extortion by the cops is common. But strangely enough, almost all that I have spoken with express a desire to return to Mexico after they have earned enough money.
Change is inevitable. Embrace it. Live life.
I’m not for forcing anyone, but doing this helped me immensely in my life. Emigrate for a year or two, anyone will learn much.
So you a native american that still lives the way before Columbus? Cause if not, you belong to a culture that replaced an previous local one in a drastical fashion,
And therein lies the problem: 1 million Mexicans constitutes ‘vibrancy,’ ‘diversity,’ ‘global community,’ and all the other feel-good tags SWPLs use to congratulate themselves for hiring them to mow their lawns. 10 million Mexicans, that’s Mexico.
And Mexico sucks.
Same for any other group you care to name. The idea that all cultures are equal, that all people are just interchangeable cogs who can be picked up and put down into square holes or round holes wherever multinational corporations and governments want them is just anti-human and anti-reality.
Peter Brimelow has a good quote: if war is the health of the State, immigration is its viagra.
Open borders didn’t work out so hot for Native Americans either.
I do recognize that change is inevitable and I certainly dont wish for a static world that is frozen in time. But I think it is reasonable to admire the different cultures around the world and mourn the loss of a unique people or way of life. Lol good lord I sound like a raging liberal.
Also, not all change is good. Whatever “good” means to you or I.
For all the cultural/neighborhoods destroyed arguments… these are not problems with immigration but problems with a concept of property rights.
“destroyed” neighborhoods are that way because you do not own that property. If a bunch of dirty drug usin minorities buy such a property and turn it into a slum that is their right.
You are absolutely right. The cultural group to which I belong did indeed agressively and violently replace Native Americans. But keep in mind my concern is not just for “Southern” culture. It also bothers me that there is virturally nothing left the native culture. I like the fact that there are countless different cultures all over.