That’s exactly it, Lilburne. I didn’t even know where I belonged intellectually speaking until I became aware of Ron Paul, since nothing else made much sense. He’s the one that opened the door to AE and voluntaryism for me.
Whatev dude. Keep ____ing the RP ____ okay. You might as well say the same thing about Google because a simple search of anything related to anarchy or libertarianism can point someone in the right direction. And they can easily find stuff like c4ss.org and many other sites like that. Mises isn’t the only one.
And RP ain’t perfect either. I’m just pointing out the shortcomings. Guess what, we all have 'em.
There have been many anarchists and agorist before RP - Konkin, Spooner, Molinari, many others. rp spreading the word has given many a false hope that the beast known as the state can be contained and limited to certain powers.
Anyway gl.
Yes, you keep struggling to make a living, ok?
A google search can’t replace identity marketing. Proof, the election of Obama.
C4SS isn’t anarcho-capitalist, it isn’t Rothbardian, it isn’t Misesian. The economics in the articles there are just barely libertarian, and it is a lot of leftist preaching. Like it or not, LRC and Mises.org are the meccas of AE and libertarianism online. The reason why (in my opinion) is that there is no significant competition. People on those other sites are not very skilled at marketing ideas. This also seems to be your issue. You don’t understand Ron Paul’s role in marketing ideas.
No one claimed Ron Paul was perfect. Is one of your shortcomings engaging in strawmen?
No one has claimed otherwise. However, none of them have had the impact of RP. A curious mind would ask why.
On the contrary, that is not what he spreads. He spreads the notion that people need to be ready to defend their liberty, and they should never trust the state to stay small or to be contained.
Sounds like you need it more than me, but thanks.
People migrating from ideals of statism to ideals of minarchism and/or constitutionalism is not bad at all. In fact, I’d wager many ancaps today may have briefly stopped by minarchism and/or constitutionalism prior to their final destination of anarcho-capitalism. To suggest that RP being able to convert neo-liberal or statists to a more libertarian-oriented mindset is “bad” is rather absurd assuming you’re a supporter of libertarianism to begin with.
To recognize Ron Paul’s contribution requires emotional discipline if you’ve already surpassed his compromising message.
Once the nature of the State becomes apparent, it becomes emotionally unbearable to hear about any sort of tolerance towards it. You must constantly remind yourself where you came from and how and what you thought just a few years ago.
I think coolUserName’s attitude is perfectly understandable.
Yes, agree. In r-tard language, Ron Paul isn’t stealing ancaps to minarchism, he’s turning moderates and socialists to minarchism. It may be like turning slavery apologists to socialists, or rapists to sexual harassers, but its still in the right direction.
And from time to time, he does talk of “self-government” and stuff; the constitution isn’t even everything for him, it’s just the “social contract” (lol) that’s in place right now, the one that the government is blatantly breaking. He deems that it should be respected not because it’s divine scripture but because the government swore an oath to do exactly that.
That said I won’t be donating cuz I’m broke, and I won’t be voting either obviously. But go Ron Paul!
I’m in agreement with anyone who says that Ron Paul is worth standing by whether he is elected president or not. I too wouldn’t have known a thing about the prospects of radical Libertarianism, the Federal Reserve, nor would I have become an Anarcho-Capitalist myself.
The handful or so people I managed to convert to market anarchy could only be converted because they were Paulites to begin with. I generally tend to be a non-voter, but if a Ron Paul victory leads to publicity for our ideas, then I don’t see any harm done.
I think that discipline comes from doing. People like Conza and I did during the campaign (despite not being Americans) and we continue to do today. We know what is involved in doing.
And yet we all suck it up and pay our taxes, and obey their laws and do what we can to get by each day.
I know where it comes from, but I believe it is very misguided. When cool starts to participate, instead of viewing all non-anarchists with contempt, then he may see things very differently. Either way, his criticism won’t stop Ron Paul, and his lack of material and significant support for Ron Paul won’t prevent RP from continuing to draw people to Mises and Rothbard, Woods and Rockwell, Murphy and Hoppe.
Well we can agree to disagree. I don’t try to persuade anybody from getting involved in politics. If someone wants to waste their time, that’s their problem.
Minarchism is just another form of statism.
What impact has RP had today? Still the same fools in office, nothing else has change. Talk is cheap.
RP has more than endorsed his son, a typical politician. Sure, he’s better than the other guy, but now we’re just talking lesser of two evils again.
What specifically don’t you like about c4ss’s ideas? Leftist is a vague word. Do you think Kinsella is leftist or anti-libertarian for joining them?
Do you think agorism is anti-libertarian as well?