Rick Perry is pretending to be a libertarian to get re-elected and possibly run for president in 2012.
He is a puppet of the New World Order and a judas goat.
We need real leadership here in Texas!
Don’t we everywhere [:P] But then again I can’t expect much from the State in terms of leadership
Well, that’s kind of selfish, isn’t it? 
The rest of us want a real leader too!
Funny that the ony thing politicians and elections are useful for is to decrease of the need for them
Jesse Ventura has mentioned that after he won, the game has been re-rigged.
Political strategies are doomed to fail because you are playing someone else’s game. Even Ron Paul never thought he would create change, he was only trying to leave a contrasting record, so that in the future it could not be said that no one dissented.
Real change is going to come when people see it is in their best interest to have less government or voluntary government. You can’t change the head of the snake and think it won’t slither anymore. You have to change the entire nature of the body politic.
Does it hurt to engage in politics? I’d like to say no, but I have to honestly say yes. We all have a finite amount of time and resources. Knowing we need education instead of voting, every time you make a vote, could have been time spent educating yourself or others.
Ron Paul did a great job opening people’s minds up. But even he was loathe to encourage people to vote, rightfully I suspect, because he doesn’t vote himself.
Grown ups don’t need “leaders.” At least, not the state kind of leaders. Grown ups might form a voluntary relationship with a mentor or seek to emulate someone or receive advice and counsel for someone, but they generally do not need to be led around by the nose. Society does not benefit from imposing mandatory leadership on everybody; isn’t that the obvious lesson of Austrian economics, or am I in the wrong place? Grown ups might look for allies for defense, including selecting a captain to organize said defense effort. But again, it’s voluntary. It’s not somebody that you elect to forcibly lead your neighbor.
When the state says “leader,” it’s just a euphemism for “ruler.” You don’t need it. Act your age
Ron Paul might be an effective ally protecting you against tyrants like Rick Perry. Shoot, Perry might even be a semi-effective ally protecting you against major enemies like Washington, but I doubt it. He’s too busy accepting subsidies for tanks to terrorize innocent children in West Texas, guilty of being born to bad people who think that if they are going to sleep with more than one woman they should marry them instead of just shacking up, who think that it’s okay to get married at a young age if you have parental consent just as the law of Texas recognized up until three years ago. He’s also too busy molesting Texas daughters and impuning their virtue by insisting they be vaccinated with an untested vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease.
What do you suppose the odds are that Perry would support secession for the FLDS?
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/04/collectivist-child-abuse.html
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/05/ordinary-face-of-everyday-evil.html
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/05/texas-child-grab-another-immaculate.html
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/05/chconcentration-camps-for-children-its.html
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2008/06/have-pity-for-bullies.html
Did you quote me for a reason or should I jump ahead and ask did you half-quote me for a reason? curious
Oh, I like your point here. But I think you’re picturing an ideal world. Practically speaking, we have to take gradual steps towards real freedom and away from statism, and a guy like Ron Paul is the most obvious first step… if that were even feasible. Maybe when they finally destroy the dollar, people will start to listen.
But if Ron Paul became Governor of Texas he wouldn’t have the influence he has in congress right now- or the ability to try to pass legislation to audit the Fed or legalize industrial hemp or anything like that.
The dollar is already destroyed. Most of us are just too stupid to notice it.
Not federally, no, but HE COULD LEAD US TO SECESSION!
Well I can’t deny that, strike what I said and replace with “When the dollar finally collapses,”–we can’t deny that it’s being propped up successfully for the time being. Anybody wanna make some bets on when that’ll happen? (In gold of course, haha) – just kidding! [:P]
Of course we will only approach the ideal through gradual steps.
Have you read the end of the Libertarian Manifesto, by any chance?
Never heard of it. I have read Ron Paul’s version though, heh.
Go check it out. I’ll wager Rothbard’s is better than Ron Paul’s, although I haven’t read Ron Paul’s, and Rothbard’s is probably dated.
Here’s the whole thing:
Here’s the material to which I was referring:
And here’s the audio book, which is how I “read” it:
What do you mean by that? If he doesn’t vote (for people for president, etc), that would be very interesting. I thought he did vote, though, but that may have been an assumption of mine. Do you have any links to anything where he says this? It seems like I remember him mentioning in a video that some friends or people he knows “have it figured out” (or something like that) and don’t vote, and I’ve been wanting to find that video so I can see exactly what he said and in what context, but I haven’t found it yet.
I will check the Rothbard manifesto out when I get a chance. Not to put down RP but yeah I’d probably wager the same, Murray never fails to impress.
Yeah I’d also like to see some kind of video or something of Ron Paul saying he doesn’t vote. It’s a little weird to run and ask others to vote for you but not do so yourself. Maybe you misunderstood a comment during a primary, where he wouldn’t have been allowed to vote in the state because he wasn’t registered there?
Also, during my pathetically short 10 second google “research”, I couldn’t find any links about that. [:P]
You know it’s good you agree with me on this here–I’m trying to make the same kind of point in another thread here and someone just seems to want to argue over it, vs demanding overnight change (I guess), and I don’t quite understand why.
I see the way I wrote that could be interpreted as “Ron Paul doesn’t vote.”
I will tell you, I don’t think he votes. I don’t know for sure that he doesn’t vote.
I gave up on radicalism on the RPForums. Ron Paul means all sorts of things to all sorts of people. Unfortunately, to a lot of people, he means hyper nationalism. If anyone has been listening closely, he talks about Gandhi, he talks about Lysander Spooner (Constitution of No Authority). His video today is on secession (the right to self determination). Paul is incredibly radical, and if he isn’t libertarian, is one of the most extreme minarchists I have ever seen.
My advice is not to listen to his campaigns and their managers. Listen to what he says. He’s never really pushed precinct leaders, he’s never pushed voting, and he doesn’t like to endorse very many people in politics. He wouldn’t even endorse someone for President. Hell, his 4 way endorsement wasn’t even a strong endorsement for people to vote.
Almost everyone associated with the C4L is a paleo-con or a libertarian. Some like Anthony Gregory are anarchists.