Self-ownership ~ a problem for libertarians?

The problem is you’ve drunk the semantic Kool-Aid and are thinking of anti-statism in terms of self-ownership, when self-ownership was just a flawed and misguided argument to win people over. The real reason to reject statism is because it does not result in things I want. Does it for you? That is the only question. As far as I’m concerned, rights could just have been concepts invented for the purpose of pleading with the State and rallying political support based on a sense of self-righteousness. They work for that purpose - persuading others - but if you really want to know why you are for or against something, in end you must make a cost-benefit analysis.

If you seek to justify things in terms of morals, fine, but if you then decide to analyze the basis of your morals, prepare to be disappointed. If you want to think in terms of morals, you have to leave them completely unquestioned. That’s a personal choice. If you’re the type who always wants to know why, and just because is not a good enough answer, you’re simply going to have to find reasons why you would be happier if the state were gone. And I think you will find plenty of those!

Ethics and objective value have been covered extensively on these forums, especially last summer:

Self-ownership https://forum.freecapitalists.org/t/david-osterfeld-on-natural-rights/7354/2

Objective ethics https://forum.freecapitalists.org/t/the-ancient-chimera-of-universal-absolute-and-objective-value/10456/177

It all comes down to this:

“We originally want or desire an object not because it is agreeable or good, but we call it agreeable or good because we want or desire it” -Mises
Hoppe’s AE my refutation David Osterfeld on natural rights - #56 by Amanojack

Rothbard self-ownershipo my refuation David Osterfeld on natural rights - #2 by Amanojack

Adam Knott’s LEGENDARY post on Mises and objective ethics The Ancient Chimera of Universal, Absolute, and Objective Value - #177 by adam_knott

O’Neil’s essay Ayn Rand Is-Ought http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_4.pdf

“We originally want or desire an object not because it is agreeable or good, but we call it agreeable or good because we want or desire it”

-Mise
Hoppe’s AE my refutation David Osterfeld on natural rights - #56 by Amanojack

Rothbard self-ownershipo my refuation David Osterfeld on natural rights - #2 by Amanojack

Adam Knott’s LEGENDARY post on Mises and objective ethics The Ancient Chimera of Universal, Absolute, and Objective Value - #177 by adam_knott

O’Neil’s essay Ayn Rand Is-Ought http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_4.pdf

“We originally want or desire an object not because it is agreeable or good, but we call it agreeable or good because we want or desire it”

-Mises