Short essay on methodological differences between Austrians and Neo-classicals

I am hoping to publish this essay in my school newspaper. I would appreciate any useful edits. My hope is to annoy the econ department enough to have a professor respond to me.

Nick Sovich responded to my original letter claiming that modern economists are generally bullish on the U.S. This statement is true, most economists are, if not bullish, then not close my position, which is the imminent collapse of the American financial system. This fact, however, obscures the fact that modern economics is based on a façade. I could respond with a technical piece explaining point by point why his analysis was wrong, but unfortunately, that would take more space than I have. Instead, I will question the methodology of neo-classical economics and by extension cast doubt on the theories they formulize based on the methodology.

Modern economics is based on scientism, the belief that the methodology of the natural sciences is universally applicable. The problem with this approach to economics is that economics is fundamentally different from physics. In physics, we do not know the underlying cause of phenomena. We hypothesize, experiment, and repeat devising ever more clever experiments to ensure that everything except the variable being tested is held constant. This allows us to formulate theories describing the causal relation between entities.

This approach is entirely untenable with respect to economics. In economics we do know the underlying cause of phenomena, that is, people act in order to satisfy ends. Economics is the analysis of human action under scarce resources. In physics, everything not being tested must be held constant. In economics, there are no known constants. Different people react to the same situation in different ways, while the same people react to the same situation at different times in different ways. People also act differently when they know they are being observed. An undergraduate aware that his professor is watching will act differently than if he expects his action to be free from judgment. This makes experimentation in economics impossible because constants cannot be controlled and the results can never be extrapolated to people unobserved.

If the traditional scientific method of experimentation is inappropriate for economics, what is the appropriate method? Methodological individualism, the study of individual action through introspection is the appropriate method for understanding economics. Because the axioms are undeniable, to deny the axiom necessitates a logical contradiction (denying that one acts is an action in and of itself), all deductions from the axiom are true as well.

At the beginning of the semester my economics professor said that there are no economic truths. Though some modern economists will deny this, it necessarily follows from a positivist approach. This claim is false. For example, both parties of any trade ex-ante expect to benefit from said trade. If they did not expect to benefit, they would not partake in the trade.

Another deduction from the axiom of action is the law of marginal utility. Classical economists could not explain why bread was less valuable than diamonds. Bread, being necessary for the continuation of life is seemingly more valuable than diamonds, a luxury good. What the classical economists failed to realize, is that no one trades the class of bread for the class of diamonds. People exchange a definite amount of bread for a definite amount of diamonds. That is, people do not value things in classes, but except in specific marginal amounts.

Another deduction from the axiom of action is that people have a time preference. All other things being equal, people prefer things in the present against the future. If there was no time preference, then people would not act, because any state of affairs the action brought about would be just as desirable if the action were postponed. Because the result of the action was not desired at a specific time, the action could be postponed indefinitely. But the fact that people do act reveals this contradiction. Only from the fact that people have time preferences can we explain properly interest rates.

In short, modern economics has brought this crisis on us. It appealed to the political class as a justification for increasing government budgets and debts. It also appealed to the general populace because it promised something for nothing. The one possible benefit from the coming crisis is that is should conclusively demonstrate the hopelessness of mathematical models as a way to understand human behavior.

In general, I enjoyed the paper and thought it was solid. I have two questions though that made me a bit uncertain.

1 - Who is Nick Sovich?

2 - How did modern economics: “appeal(ed) to the political class as a justification for increasing government budgets and debts.”? There was something missing there, but it could be just me.

At the beginning of the semester my economics professor said that there are no economic truths.


He actually said that???

What is he teaching then?

I remember a paper by Jesús Huerta de Soto where he does a quick but rather complete point-by-point comparison between neo-classical and austrian views and methodology. It’s in english, I will try to find it.

Found it!

Now it will be a piece of cake for you, man.

I could respond with a technical piece explaining point by point why his analysis was wrong, but unfortunately, that would take more space than I have.

You could really shorten stuff like this and add substance. “I’d reply to all of Dr. Sovich’s errors if I had space, but one major one is…”

I take it you read part of what I quoted from Rothbard’s Individualism and the Philosophy of the Social Sciences. One problem:

Modern economics is based on scientism, the belief that the methodology of the natural sciences is universally applicable.

I think it would be better to introduce that it uses math function and save using scientism at all. People here have seemed to not understand the word in the way Rothbard uses it. Alternatively you need to explain more.

This fact, however, obscures the fact that modern economics is based on a façade.

Facade of what? If you really want to irk these people you can say that their scientistic models lack predictive power and the methodology taught in most economics programs is as much a pseudo-science as medieaval alchemy.

There’s some other issues but I will leave that to you for now. Is this whole thing a bit to serious for a school newspaper? Is more than 5% going to really understand what an axiom is at all?

I recently posted a short essay on the coming economic collapse. Nick Sovich is my roommate whom I commissioned to write a response to my essay which would allow me to submit this.

I was attempting to give a short justification as to why neo-classical methods are almost universally used while Austrian methodology is ignored, though it does change the tone and I am not sure it is an appropriate end.

My professor did say there were no economic truths, though he was aware of the economic calculation problem. I was never able to ask him if he was knew that Mises formulated the economic calculation problem..

Thanks for the de soto piece.

thanks for addressing my questions.

I was wondering who the person was to make sure you were not targeting the professor by name. You easily can imply their misguidance by an academic compare and contrast which is what the whole of your paper appears to be.

Secondly, yes the ending sentence I quoted might be too much of a stray that requires more information. I think you can show the connection by your other simple assertions that point out the economics taught at the university are the same kind that drive the economic policy that has lead to the recent crisis. Something similar to what I say here identify’s the problem but doesn’t open itself up to a big hole or lack of interpretation. In other words it would leave too much open not just to any reader but the economic department itself as they might focus on the hints of pschological intention in that quote of yours that I made. Yet a simple identity statement kin to what I underlined would for the most part go unquestioned. It doesn’t get too abstract and focus on any intentions or motives of politicians and economic policy personal. It is a self-evident proposition that some people will quickly be familar with and isn’t really open for debate.

As a side note being that it is not wholly necessary for the paper, it would be interesting to know if he knew Mises formulated the economic calculation problem.

You could really shorten stuff like this and add substance. “I’d reply to all of Dr. Sovich’s errors if I had space, but one major one is…”

That’s a good point.

I think it would be better to introduce that it uses math function and save using scientism at all. People here have seemed to not understand the word in the way Rothbard uses it. Alternatively you need to explain more.

I couldn’t think of any other way to attack the logical positivists in such a concise manner. I’ll try to think of another way to formulate the statement.

There’s some other issues but I will leave that to you for now. Is this whole thing a bit to serious for a school newspaper? Is more than 5% going to really understand what an axiom is at all?

I go to the University of Maryland, and while I agree, many of my classmates are idiots, my audience for this paper is more the economics department.

That does sound like a better way to end the paper.

I tried to corner one of the TA’s after class, but some other students had questions relevant to the class and I was unable to ask my question. The professor is less approachable and going to his office hours to argue ecnomics methodology seems like overkill. Maybe I’ll ask him next class

You may instead put the name ‘logical positivism’ in the paper and attack the philosophy department with one stone. :slight_smile:

Is this going in the Diamondback?

Also, make sure you don’t commit the fallacy fallacy. Just because someone uses the wrong methodology or makes fallacious does not necessarily mean that they are reaching the wrong conclusions

" Instead, I will question the methodology of neo-classical economics and by extension cast doubt on the theories they formulize based on the methodology."

‘cast doubt’ is probably the appropriate term

maybe you could focus more on the importance of epistemology to economics. It would seems less confrontational

It would also be good idea to point out a couple instances where positivsm would get you the wrong answer

(maybe talk about emperical research on umemployment vs axiomatic)

check out the video by hoppe on logical positivsm as well

You may instead put the name ‘logical positivism’ in the paper and attack the philosophy department with one stone. :slight_smile:

Don’t forgot to buy a time machine too, seriously, logical positivism died, what? 50 years ago?

This makes experimentation in economics impossible because constants cannot be controlled and the results can never be extrapolated to people unobserved.

Tell that to the experimentalists!

Because the axioms are undeniable, to deny the axiom necessitates a logical contradiction (denying that one acts is an action in and of itself), all deductions from the axiom are true as well.

The axiom of action is true by definition, that’s why it can’t be denied. But there’s no performative contradiction, it’s not necessary that I am an actor in the Misesian sense of the word, nor that other individuals fit that definition, moreover Robert Nozick came up with an example of action that is not purposeful (see his “On Austrian Methodolody”). So yes, the action axiom and all that it entails may be logically valid, but they needn’t be true, and they’re certainly not very interesting until one adds more to the story (as Hayek suggested).

Two more points:

  1. Why the tangent of classical economists? Smith and Ricardo died a long time ago, in fact, out of the fathers of neoclassical economics it was Carl Menger that emphasized marginalism least, and explicitly so.
  2. Be careful when you make statements about modern economics when you’re less than sufficiently knowledgeable to make such claims.

Giles responding to me: “Don’t forgot to buy a time machine too, seriously, logical positivism died, what? 50 years ago?”

No, seriously, it didn’t. Would you actually like to add something of substance every once and awhile? It would make the discourse more stimulating.

It is going in the diamondback.

I included marginal utility because I wanted to disprove in an readily understandable way the claim that there are no logical truths. My section on time preference will probably be left out of the final copy as there is a word limit and time preference is more difficult to understand.

I am submitting it to the diamondback.

I included marginal utility because I want to disprove the logical positivist claim of no laws of science. I don’t think it is the best example and would appreciate other simple deductions of truths from the action axiom.

Couldn’t the same be said about psychology?

Is the scientific method of experimentation appropriate for psychology?