Should I collect a "tax refund" and help crash the system? vs Moral highground?

Economics Economics Questions
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Here in socal there has been a massive influx of middle eastern immigrants over the last 15 years that has steadily increased drastically since our clusterfuck in Iraq.

They are mostly chaldeans which pretty much means christian middle eastern.

Here is the issue.

They are RAPING the welfare system in the A$$.

Here is what they do…

They put all their brand new Escalade SUV’s in one family members name, have all the income from their local liquor shop go into that persons name etc so that then they can have their 2398394932849384 cousins go get every last dime of welfare they can.

BTW This method was confirmed to everyone at my work a few weeks ago by a guy who works at the local welfare office…

The other day I was at the grocery store.

I had 4 items.

I went to the 15 items or less line…

The guy in that line in front of me had 3 fucking carts full of powerades/gatorades that were on clearance…

So not only is this guy in the 15 items or less line with 3 fucking carts full of hundreds of items…

When it comes time for him to pay he busts out FOUR EBT welfare (food stamp) debit cards to pay for it all…

What he is doing is taking all these back to his liquor store to sell the 50cent each drinks for 3 bucks a pop that he paid for with YOUR TAX DOLLARS!

When I used to work at a grocery store back in the day as one of my first jobs these middle eastern people would hardcore work the system there as well…

What they would do was have one person from their MASSIVE family come in and buy ALL THE STOCK on w/e item was on clearance that they could resell at their store.

Then they would have the next family member come in and get a “RAIN CHECK” for that sale price since they were now out of stock…

Then they would have the next family member come in and get a “RAIN CHECK” for that sale price since they were now out of stock…

Then they would have the next family member come in and get a “RAIN CHECK” for that sale price since they were now out of stock…

Then they would have the next family member come in and get a “RAIN CHECK” for that sale price since they were now out of stock…

This allows them to come back to the grocery store and repurchase all their stock for that one time weekend holiday sale price for the rest of the entire year…

Now… Back to the EBT welfare food stamp cards…

Some of my coworkers have become so fed up with listening to these people brag about how much free money they get that they just gave up, said fuck it, and went to sign up as well.

So here is the question…

Should I do what my coworkers have now done and collect a “tax refund” and help crash the system?

OR

Hold the moral highground and pay for my groceries with the money I actually earned?

For a long time I have been able to hold the moral highground and in case you couldn’t tell by this rant it’s getting very hard to continue to hold this position…

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Exploit a tax refund. Getting money back into private hands is good, and the state will not hesitate to expropriate you anyway.

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It’s funny because where I live theres always crackheads trying to sell their monthly food stamps for half off. It’s actually a very good deal if your there not trying to screw you over.

Back to the OP, I think mostly anything that makes us more expensive to govern is a good thing.

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steal back as much as you can…

even then, you won’t come close to stealing back what was stolen from you.

if you could, the federal government would crumble.

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Personally, I would like to see people stop paying taxes and see what the reaction is there.

Getting a tax refund from the government isn’t going to hurt them as much as it will hurt you since the government does not run on a limited budget. The system will continue on.

However, if the people decided to stop paying taxes, that would definitely through a wrench into the cogs of the system.

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I’d argue that if you want to exploit the state, don’t spend time getting your own money back (or fiat money for that matter) but find a way to keep as much of your production as possible without having to deal with the state.

Getting money out of the state comes with strings attached like declaring all your income, being assigned a number, having a case file, opening yourself up to scrutiny, exposing your known wealth for confiscation etc. Opportunity costs. In some cases, it may be smarter to make more money of which you can keep a greater gross amount than you could get back by trying to take away meaningless fiat dollars from the printing press.

Ideally, we would all try to produce and trade in market currencies, and only exchange to legal tender when needed. This is one thing that Agorism gets right.