Sidelines thread to Lilburne and Rettoper's debate, since we can't post in the actual debate thread

Why should you ‘face’ anything? Why should any individual have an obligation, or even an interest, in dealing with a society of fools?

It is unseemly if you flap your lips/fingers all day in some backroom/forum and sit idly. Why babble the day long about how terrible everything is? You are almost a satire on two feet.

Yes, because as everyone knows, educating people of no biological relation to you is much easier than raising a child, whom only looks up to the parents for guidance & dependence for the initial one or two decades of their life (YMMV).

The assumption that because one has a family and somehow is resigned to live in a bubble is wrong. I’m sure this is why many homeschool advocates have an easy life relative to their state’s various meddlings into laws prohibiting or obsfucating homeschool to be as difficult as possible to incentivize more people to resort to public education. Oh wait.

Don’t we already do that here?

Correct.

That sentence makes no sense.

Why should you ‘face’ anything? Why should any individual have an obligation, or even an interest, in dealing with a society of fools?

I have an interest because I am young and would like to avoid living under a totalitarian world regime. Yes, things are already pretty bad now, but there is potential for life to get a lot worse, especially in places like the United States. Right now our economy is undergoing a controlled demolition, and at the rate we’re going it won’t be long before UN “peacekeepers” are putting down riots in the streets and distributing food in breadlines. I am a member of the middle class that is being destroyed right before my own eyes.

But in general, I am less interested in dealing with a “society of fools,” and more interested in engaging the elite collectivists who hold the power to make my life, my family’s life, and my children’s lives a living hell. These people are not fools, they are master strategists who understand how to manipulate the masses to their will. Even if I have no chance of winning, it would give me great pleasure to do battle with them and know that I stood up for freedom, peace, and rationality.

Or maybe I should just look out for numero uno? Or go live on a seastead?

We? No. You? Maybe. Think about who actually does the whining.

“Education of the masses is technically far easier than having a lot of babies.”

Can you actually prove this statement?

“The appeal of babies is that you can just hide in your hole and not have to face anything.”

I think the appeal in babies is making them.

Yes it does; the sentence is structurally sound, & while I could’ve used a comma somewhere, is on point to your response.

Your assumption was: parents are somehow resigned into some sort of ignorance or lesser active position (too busy raising kids, & only raising kids, and not having personal live, apparently), & subsequently, this pre-occupation with raising a family somehow doesn’t achieve anything beyond simply raising a family.

It’s not my fault you apparently lack the imagination to see why strategic fertilitty might be a useful tactic. I would love for anyone who was raised in a libertarian like family, or plans to raise one of their own, to weigh in on this.

Sure. Build a website. Now, change 10000 diapers, spend years of income on child expenses, etc. and wait 20 years. Which was easier? Not to mention quicker. I trust you’ll find it is a no brainer.

That is the appeal in making them, not having them and I meant the appeal of using it as a political strategy.

I was referring to the general dislike for mainstream politics, & trying to understand non-Austrian economists & statist voters, not literal whining, amid the forum. You should check your sarcasm detector, as you’ve decided to make this personal for some reason.

Aside from minor modding duties, I haven’t been very active (beyond the past week or two) for a few months before so. I guess I should stop my uppity posting since you apparently have a problem with it.

Just imagine if Lew Rockwell’s dad hadn’t been a “Taft Republican”.

Strange how your method of interpretation works.

Sure. Build a website. Now, change 10000 diapers, spend years of income on child expenses, etc. and wait 20 years. Which was easier? Not to mention quicker. I trust you’ll find it is a no brainer.

That isn’t proof. There are millions of websites out there are seriously contending that the masses are educated by one?

“That is the appeal in making them, not having them and I meant the appeal of using it as a political strategy.”

The appeal of it as a political strategy is obviously that you will devote more time towards making them as opposed to knocking on your neighbours doors, plus the whole family thing that people seem to do anyways. Why not merge life and activism? Studies show that political philosophy is hereditary, as a long-run solution it really isn’t that bad of an idea.

Wow, this isn’t a biased example at all.

1.) Online activism does not automatically equal offline gains. Otherwise, I think the anarchist & libertarian sub-reddits would be winning some sort of “up-vote” war by now.

1a.) Also, “build a website” is vauge. Could you elaborate? Because I don’t think going to Angelfire to make a site filled with my own rants is going to cut it.

2.) 10,000 diapers seems far too much considering there are only 365 days in a year, and you’re child won’t be in diapers for more than the first few years of their live. Assuming more than diaper is changed a day, the ultimate amount (from first wearing diapers to last time wearing them), the amount may be around the 1,000’s.

3.) Wait 20 years? Doing nothing? You’re assuming parents don’t do anything else sans being on static standby for every waking breathe a child makes. If the parent’s aren’t complete disorganized maroons, they can balance work, a personal life, & the needs of their family as well.

3a.) I’m sure also the child will learn nothing from you until they hit the magical point at 20 years. Nothing at all, especially if you had an option to homeschool.

There is no “no brainer”, unless you’ve already made up your mind & haven’t critical thought out options beyond your own preferences.

At least someone gets it. Small ripples, big effects.

I don’t have a problem with any posts.

Strange how this isn’t a rebuttal, on your part. Are you going to play it off, or defend your position? It was pretty clear that you are placing online activism as more worthwhile than strategic fertility.

I would like more than just a preferntial argument on your part, when the benefits of strategic fertiltiy have been referrences do regarding the possibilities of genetics playing a strong role in political attitudes.

Even if it is something as benign as “I don’t think the concept of the family should be leveraged for political gains”, at least that would be an actual position than saying, “Build a website, parenting is a waste of time.”

Alright, cool. No need for me to defend my posting further, then.

I just bought fruit from someone on the side of the rode! lol! Anarchy does exist!