i am amazed that libertarians can convert the message of the story to their liking. the movie is filled with dimestore liberal slogals. the whole time i was expecting would retard character to jump out with a bush=hitler, healthcare for all poster. americans cannot make artisticly redeeming films, period. pasolini could shit out a better movie than all your lord of rings and clint eastwoods combined. awesome cinematic moments cant mask the turd literary content, you philistines!
P.S. this post is not directed at the posters of mises.org, but at american cinema. i hope that many movie conosoirs here would find my sentiments perceptive.[:D]
every movie is vaguely about “freedom”. you cant sell opression. even nazis didnt do that. the problem is that their freedom is rent control and tobacco taxes.
thats a logical fallacy. the allegations of capitalist abuse cannot be justified by saying that they themselves work like dogs. with that logic all “polar bears” can go around throwing people into freezing waters
Thanks for the Avatar Wiki entry, Capital Pumper! It would seem that the company in the film is not simply a private entity, but more like an arm of a future corporate state. Beginning with post #240 In this thread:
I talk about the prevailing anti-business attitude in Hollywood. Some of the comments others in the thread made about the nature of business and government were quite interesting.
Honestly, I must completely disagree with you here. The story was one big cliche, I knew everything that was going to occur half an hour within the movie, and I was never surprised a single time (the plot of Modern Warfare 2, a mere first-person shooter video game was far more imaginative, and artistic). Furthermore, the characters were boring (you knew what cliche they used within the first five minutes of meeting each character), and the themes heavy-handed. It was nothing but a butchering of the plot of “The Last Samurai”.
Indeed. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY rights, first and foremost, as without them only a fool would plunge $500mil in capital and hundreds of man-years in labor to create it. Couldn’t possibly have imagined a better place to rest my pro-IP case.
high costs of production are in large part the result of monopoly.
I quote Boldrine and Levine:
Recognize, first, that intellectual monopoly is a double edged sword. The existence of monopolies increases the cost of
creation. In one extreme case, a movie that cost $218 to make had to pay $400,000 for the music rights.3
Who says it would be $500 million to produce the same thing if IP weren’t enforced?
How does this rest your case? Without the current structure of production and without laws being currently the way they are, we wouldn’t have the movie Avatar come out as it as at a cost of $500 million?
I’m pretty damn sure people are going to see the movie in theaters instead of watching bootlegs. “Only a fool” would watch a bootlegged copy of this movie.
You are insane if you think that the abolition of IP rights would reduce the cost of producing movies.
And without IP rights, there is nothing the filmmakers could do to stop fully-featured theaters from offering screenings of Avatar without paying them a dime.
We’re not talking about legitimizing a bunch of rag-tag bootleggers here, but empowering enormous capitalist enterprise to steal.
This film was an attempt to be anti-capitalist, which is funny because it fails on three points. One, it used the mythical version of capitalism that involves lots of market interference by the government. Two, it used the ludicrous idea that a company, seeking to maximize profits, would spend billions on a mercenary army, then billions on an Avatar project (needed because the mercs had already pissed off the natives), when it could have started with a few thousand on a defensive force to protect negotiators from the local wildlife and bartered with the Na’vi. “Hey, see this rock? We need more. There’s lots under your tree, and if you were to dig it up we’ll provide amazing medical procedures, useful technologies, and all the copies of Ferngully you could want.” Three, the whole reason the Na’vi were the good guys, defending their land, was because it was THEIR LAND! Their moral claim is based entirely on property rights, which the anti-capitalist crowd doesn’t like to acknowledge.
Aside from the propaganda attempt, though - very awesome movie. I’ll be buying it on Blu-Ray.
You are insane if you think that the abolition of IP rights wouldn’t reduce the cost of producing movies.
How do you know this? Why? Isn’t it possible to come up with a solution whereby the theater can make money and the producers of the movie can make money? Business wouldn’t be able to reorganize itself in such a way to handle this situation?
You must be insane if you think that.
According to Stranger, you wouldn’t buy it on Blu-ray only because the law stops you from downloading it.