The "Avatar" of Capitalism

[meambobbo]

@Stranger

One media company can seize the property of another.

How much property can it take? And when should it give it back?

@Stranger

Does trespassing law fail because some kids will always walk their dog on your lawn?

That’s a bad comparison. If I wanted, I could lawfully use physical force to remove someone from my property. But no one would tolerate if I took someone hostage and tortured them, even if knowledge of such helped prevent future trespass.

So what’s the just way of rectifying IP violation? Tell them to stop? Ask them for their market cost of each illegal distribution? Really, the “damages” are simply impairment of a market position. Why should anyone be guaranteed a market position?

The only case for IP rests upon voluntarily-agreed-upon contracts, but this is flimsy as the contracts do not describe property transfers but expected behaviors. They “work” while they are followed, but what is their just resolution upon breach? There is none. We might as well consider contracts in which one party guarantees another’s reputation as legitimate.

@Stranger

The whole point of a justice system is to make it costly and difficult to violate property rights and thus minimize the occurrence of these violations.

No - the point of a justice system is justice. Penalizing prior injustices excessively is new injustice. Or maybe you approve of the days of chopping off theives hands?

The point was that IP isn’t a discussion about justice but about class warfare. Violators are a criminal class that cease to have rights. Their property can be seized, upon what basis? Did they ever agree to a contract with the IP owner that justified such invasion upon its breach?

@Stranger

As I stated before, intellectual communists always end up resorting to their confusion between ideas and information in order to legitimize their right to steal.

Whatever. Can you answer the question - on what moral grounds can one claim a monopoly right to a market position?

[Stranger]

@meambobbo

So what’s the just way of rectifying IP violation? Tell them to stop? Ask them for their market cost of each illegal distribution?

Confiscate and destroy all illegal copies and all profits earned from the sale of past copies. It works. The system holds.

@meambobbo

The point was that IP isn’t a discussion about justice but about class warfare. Violators are a criminal class that cease to have rights. Their property can be seized, upon what basis? Did they ever agree to a contract with the IP owner that justified such invasion upon its breach?

What’s so strange about that? Criminals don’t have a contract with their victims. Their action is infringement of property rights. Their property is seized on basis of having forfeited their rights.

@meambobbo

Whatever. Can you answer the question - on what moral grounds can one claim a monopoly right to a market position?

That’s irrelevant to copyrights.

[filc]

@Stranger

@Aster_Lacnala

If I find a book in my neighbor’s house, and he allows me to read it, I have violated no property rights - my neighbor may have, if he agreed not to let others read it when he purchased it, but that contract doesn’t bind me.

That’s irrelevant! It is not your property. Unbelievable the sense of entitlement you people have.

Lets say this book has the passkey to his XYZ internet stock trading account. I accidently read it and remember it. How can I force myself to forget this intangible ‘property’. I’d hate to violate his property rights but I can’t get this passkey out of my head! It’s the same name as my dog!

And how does this make us a communist that we are against monopoly?

[Stranger]

@filc

Lets say this book has the passkey to his XYZ internet stock trading account. I accidently read it and remember it. How can I force myself to forget this intangible ‘property’. I’d hate to violate his property rights but I can’t get this passkey out of my head! It’s the same name as my dog!

Irrelevant. You are not allowed to get into his account just because you learned the passkey.

@filc

And how does this make us a communist that we are against monopoly?

The communists made the same argument against all private property in the 19th century. They eventually gave it up.