I honestly can’t tell at this point.
I highly doubt it, though I’ll let MaxLiberty answer that himself.
-Jon
I’m pretty sure. M.L. is just frustrated. This can be a frustrating forum.
Aye.
No joke.
-Jon
I am not on that believes in a" theory" of history or any of that crap, but based on how you view that the State is the longest form of civilization, you disregard the slow withering away of the State. If you look and use history as evidence for a theory that the State is superior, how can you possibly ignore the collapse of empires, and communist regimes that fall apart. Why has there been any change of States if it is superior? Why are we not in the feudal states of the middle ages?
The Republic is the pure sage that proves the State is declining. We now disperse power among all people because a Monarchy can not exist for long time. It used to though. People are starting to revolt against the State. Things always get worse before they get better. And I am no optimist about the decline of the State. I want my freedom now! All I can do is fight!! But the belief that because something has existed means that it is optimal, is what really “misleads the freedom movement”. I am not so blind to think that I will be free someday during my life. But I do know that this is NOT OPTIMAL!!! So why not go down fighting?
History is the State’s enemy. As long as evidence can be pointed to that what is now, used to not be, the State’s case is undermined. That’s why in 1984 the State changes history and eliminates knowledge. The historicist argument for the State fails. The State was never a choice for people. The State was created through nothing but conquest and robbery. The fact that power grows is nothing but human nature. The appeal to the lack of pain within a State or with the little liberty we have left is nothing but an excuse for mediocrity and resignation against the State. Anarchy is not something that will pop out of nowhere, it will happen because people fight for it. Except when one says “it has always been like this, and this is the best”, people will not fight for something they feel is oppressive to them, because it is inevitable that the State will grow. So why should they fight, in fact, they should help the State because then they will always have a job.
Anarchy? Do you mean where this is being practiced with the realistic goal of replacing the state? Show me one place where you think this is being practiced. Just because you would like there to be an alternative does not make it so.
Yet you claim you are not an evolutionary anarchist.
What I do say quite clearly is that only action will change things. Your pointless fireside chats with your friends patting yourself on your back about how brilliant you think you are serve no purpose. The intellectual elitist usually retreats from action because it requires real effort and risk. What research do you propose? What do you think you have added to the research of freedom? What is the purpose of the research? Knowledge without action has no value. If your research has led you to the truth that the state is immoral and has no legitimate role in your life then the only question is what to do about it? …As usual from the intellectual elitist…deafening silence in response.
I am not frustrated my friend. I am here to agitate. I am here to stir the stale cauldron of the intellectual elitists of the freedom movement.
Is that a codeword for trolling?
-Jon
No.
And show me that it matters if it’s being practiced right now. Show it or admit that you’re using a red herring.
Yeah, me too. And it’s frustrating!
Your standard is that you demand proof that words and action are not equal in result, effect or meaning?
Isn’t this a priori knowledge?
I believe you are misusing the term red herring.
Nope.
You’re taking the mises forum & it’s participants as representive of the freedom movement as a whole?
Yea, that’s the ticket.
I give more credit than you do to the mises forum then. There really aren’t that many places devoted to the discussion of freedom. I would say the mises forum is probably the best forum for reaching people that have some understanding of what freedom means. Is there others you would suggest? I would be very interested in knowing about other relevant forums.
Oh it matters beacuse if it is not being practiced anywhere then one can’t really be sure if it will actually work. An alternative has to be able to exist in order for it to be considered an alternative to something that does exist.
You’ll get more enthusiasm and action on the Ron Paul forums. This is where the Philosopher Kings hang out.
Non sequitur.