The morality of being a police officer

I should probably change my signature now so that no one continues to know my positions.

I know who Burke is.

http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=850&layout=html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard11.html

I have defended Natural Religion against a Confederacy of Atheists and Divines. I now plead for Natural Society against Politicians, and for Natural Reason against all three. When the World is in a fitter Temper than it is at present to hear Truth, or when I shall be more indifferent about its Temper; my Thoughts may become more publick. In the mean time, let them repose in my own Bosom, and in the Bosoms of such Men as are fit to be initiated in the sober Mysteries of Truth and Reason. My Antagonists have already done as much as I could desire. Parties in Religion and Politics make sufficient Discoveries concerning each other, to give a sober Man a proper Caution against them all. The Monarchic, Aristocratical, and Popular Partizans have been jointly laying their Axes to the Root of all Government, and have in their Turns proved each other absurd and inconvenient. In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse! Observe, my Lord, I pray you, that grand Error upon which all artificial legislative Power is founded. It was observed, that Men had ungovernable Passions, which made it necessary to guard against the Violence they might offer to each other. They appointed Governors over them for this Reason; but a worse and more perplexing Difficulty arises, how to be defended against the Governors? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Well, officers that belong/work to small communities tend to be better (or less bad).

It certainly is no worse an occupation than being a teacher for the state.

I try not to look at people in groups and would much rather look at them on an individual level. I certainly have met cops, teachers, soldiers, postal workers, city constuction workers, city council men, or if medicine got socialized; doctors, etc, that I have liked. I wouldn’t blame the “grunts” of the system, in fact some of them may be doing a job they love and the state makes it very hard to do what they like in private (in a police officers case, protecting the innocent perhaps). Also, it is possible that not everyone is familiar with libertarian philosophy. Likewise, I expect everyone to be acintg in their own self interests, even if it is a state subsidy.

Not really. The wrongs that you’re asked to do might be “worse” in the former (e.g., it may involve mass executions rather than merely locking people in a cell for a while), but I don’t think there’s a smaller probability of being asked to do wrong in the latter, since that probability is 100% in both cases.

I associate with many men who own guns. We do not seek control or dominance. I have worked for armed contract security firms. While working there we never went to war with the other competing armed private security firms in the area. I work proprietary security now, we have not declared war on the contract security firms that bid for the elimination of our proprietary department within the Corporation. In fact, we cooperate with them. The contract firms also cooperate with each other, though one firm has most of the contracts in the area, it is not because they eliminated the competition via war. They just offer a superior product at a lower cost.

The PD here is incapable of protecting anything consistently. The security firms here provide the services that coerced tax dollars pretend to provide. Most private officers are ex-cops or ex-military. We could all make more money as cops, I guess we just can’t stomach the method of acquiring that money.

Utopian? Anything but. It works in practice where I live. The only people we (private security officers,) actually worry about are the cops. In fact we do everything we can to minimize police involvement. When the police get involved we lose money, and generally have to defend ourselves from the crime of impersonating a police officer. This means we have made the police look bad by doing their job for them. The best strategy to keep this from happening is abnegation. Bow down to the state, tell them what a fool you were, and how great they are, then ask how to get a job with them. Flattery does wonders on indoctrinated thugs.

My point is that defense (security) companies do not go to war with each other. They compete yes, but not via the method of attrition.

You just managed to say a lot of information without saying anything. I could see why you would not want to put personal details, like what companies you are speaking of, where they are, what types of business they take part, but frankly unless you put those in this personal testimony cannot be trusted.

Haha. So ‘empirical’ proof of something you disregard as a utopia doesn’t count.

Brinks, Ross Martin, Securitas, Wacken Hut, Esi, I work for a corporation in the area. Those are the others operating as contractors. Reno, NV

@ lam

So you are calling me a liar?

Tell that to Ron Williamson.