Time to unite (an open letter to libertarians)

Maybe you can ask for an increase in your allowance. [I]

Maybe its your lack of description of what you are advocating.

You said

This is a description of direct democracy how else could you have meant it?

Referring to my higher status in the socio-economic rankings? I know that pisses people like you off.

Ditto.

-Jon

Yes, I am referring to your socio-economic ranking successes! Why do you think I keep asking to purchase your leather jacket? [:)]

It’s a description of how voting can be an exercise of rights in only one situation, direct democracy. It is not one showing that it always is.

It definitely gets worse as you get older.

It doesn’t. Read what I wrote again. :wink:

Certainly not. One of the reasons why I’m both a Christian and an anarchist. If the model of my morality had compromised, I’d be a minarchist.

Back to the original subject, I consider agorism to be the only strategy worth pursuing by a serious libertarian. Voting is pointless. I predict that there will be a very successful agorist movement in the next few years.

Perversely, the more the State expands in power, the closer it comes to collapse! As the State imposes more taxes and regulations, there’s more to gain by doding them.

When the rules of the game are biased against you, your only option is to ignore the rules and say “I’m not playing this stupid game anymore!”

Wouldn’t the majority steam roll you even if he does vote, since the majority, by definition, would have the most votes?

Some don’t share that goal actually. They seek to eliminate the federal government, not to shrink it, which is hardly a semantic difference. If you seek to eliminate something you can’t aknowledge it’s authority or you will give it more power. Also, regardless of what you think, bigger government will win the creeping war everytime, it’s the very nature of government to do so.

Agorism as the only strategy…that is hysterical. Liberty Student and I have been dismantling every agorist in this forum on another thread and it is quite apparent that not only is agorism not viable but that the people who advocate it can’t even coherently articulate or defend it in discussion.

There are other options. The real question for you is when your attempt to rally people to the Libertarian Party fails and the Libertarian Party does not accomplish anything what are you going to do then?

Your core strategy is flawed on the surface. Most of the people in America don’t believe in freedom anymore. The Libertarian Party and Ron Paul combined only have about 2% national support. That leaves you 48% short and the other 98% possible are pretty well spoken for by the main parties or affiliated independents.

So again, what are you prepared to do when your current strategy fails?

As far as most people on this forum not doing anything, your right as long as you don’t count me and a very few others among them.

Agorism is not the only strategy, but it is a relativley new approach (historically speaking).

That would be like saying the Liberty Colony is the only strategy via method of sucession (which is more or less what I see being the core method behind the LC; I apologize if I’m wrong), therefore it’s doomed to fail; in both cases, neither failure nor success is guarenteed.

Agorism is just as capable of being “unviable” as your Liberty Colony, or the reformism of the RP supporters, or the LP, or any other strategy for that matter etc. etc. Isn’t such debate evidence of such?

In any case, the whole argument / various threads the argument (whatever it is now, I lost track amid the ad-hom’s) seems to be going in circles.

In what way, Jimmy?

In what way? You and your fellow agorists can’t even answer the most basic questions about agorism without resorting to attacking the Liberty Colony. It is understandable because the Liberty Colony and ideas like it are threats to the Library Libertarians or should we say the Do Nothing Philosopher Kings.

The practical application of a particular strategy is relevant. There are lots of examples of small groups of people creating new societies, not always successful but it has been done. There are no examples of doing what the agorists are attempting and a simple basic discussion of the strategy with people who are well versed in the theory demonstrates that they do not even have any idea how it is supposed to work in practical form. Those are relevant issues when it comes to taking action in the real world.

I have come to the conclusion that the Liberty Colony and ideas like it are the only viable route to creating a free society. It requires the least amount of people to participate and immediately establishes the free society we in general are all looking for and deserve.

What questions, Jimmy?

How does a giant, mass suicide spread liberty, Jimmy? Well, I guess it is your freedom to drink the koolaid. How much luck have you had with that anyways, Jimmy?