Vive le Québec libre?

No, they like being able to loot the welfare system.

Canada has a lot going for it. Open spaces, friendly people, lots of resources, a tradition of peace.

But the government is becoming just as much a police state as elsewhere it’s just being done more slowly. Suppressing the people, and controlling citizens in order to maintain monopoly government structures is the order of the day.

They like the health care and other “freebies.”

Canada is actually ranked as one of the top 5 freest countries in the world, often higher than the U.S.

Health care is really the only thing that seems to be holding it back.

I’d like to see the criteria for these ratings. I have a feeling that lack of gun control isn’t one of them.

I second that.

Quebec is also one of the place (if not the one) in north america where you are most likely to have the state take away your children from you. It is something like 3 times more likely than in Ontario, 9 times more than in England, and 15 times more than in Spain.

Doesn’t sound very free is it?

I bet the freedom ranking is based on criteria leftists like, such as “health rights”, “union rights”, etc…

The western provinces have unemployment rates between 3 and 5%, which is below the U.S.

Quebec drags the country behind, but there is no mystery as to why Canada is a preferred destination for immigrants.

Here are the two rankings Wikipedia lists:

The question is “which immigrants?” Most immigrants that come to Canada come from poor 3rd world country. Few americans or west Europeans come immigrate to Canada anymore.

It’s not that Canada is a “preferred destination”, it’s because Canada has very easy immigration policies, where requirements are much lower than other industrialized countries.

Quite the opposite, Canada has been experience a sustain “brain drain” (this is well publicized in Canada) where the most productive citizen have been emigrating to the US to escape the punitive fiscal burned, including former poor immigrants, who once having received heavily subsidized education flee to the US for employment.

Only few provinces such as Alberta had such low unemployment, but that’s an unfair comparison, since US states also vary in the unemployment statistics. Generally speaking, unemployment is higher in Canada than the US.

That’s also no longer true. Canada’s latest unemployment rate is 6.2% while the US’ is 6.5%

Since the last 6 months? Not very representative, no?

Considering the U.S. economy has been kept alive through artificial stimulus these last few years, the last 6 months are the most representative we can get.

I’ll say that Canada is not very free if I can’t renounce my citizenship.

In short, Canada has become the land of opportunity for immigrants seeking a better life that the U.S. no longer can offer.

No. Canada offers a better life than the 2nd and 3rd world, but nowhere near the opportunity that the US has. What Canada offers is a guarantee that you will always have clothes, housing, food, education and health care. Good luck trying to run or startup a small business.

Good luck trying to do anything creative independent of government subsidy or approval.

Canada gets away with a lot because it has the natural resources to fund all of this good stuff. It won’t last in the depression.

Sounds like Paradise on Earth! No wonder all rankings place Canada consisteltly as one of the most desirable places to live.

Just give me an example of a single other country that so boldly guarantees all of those things together to its population.

Not if you are being forced to pay for it.

I think the Scandinavian countries are similar. Sad that you would call a regime that doesn’t respect property rights, regressively taxes and confiscates wealth through violent confiscation as paradise on earth.

I would advise you to research Bastiat. You can start here, Bastiat Essays

Quebec should suceed? Starting in 1979, quebec voted no on the referendum to suceed. Then the Patri Quebecois setup a parrallel federalist type gouvernment, and enacted bill 101, infacto creating a unilingual province, all without a legal concensus—Ignored by the heavily lobbied parliment in ottawa, mostly because the parti quebecois stated the new Quebec constitution would defranchise the native american lands, which will be owned by the quebec gouvernment who are also partners with Manitou Barvue Mines and perhaps others I am unaware of. This team will began to mine the vast copper reserves, its a geophysical asset ultimately worth trillions. The natives are opposed to mining copper on their lands because copper mines leach out some pretty toxic elemental compounds that basically denature the surrounding areas, downwind and downstream. The few who actually own most of the shares devised a plan back in the early 70’s to tunnel into these orebodies by not paying taxes and soliciting the auditors who allowed millions in dept to accumulate. then when the auditor brought this up to parlimentary authority, a deal was struck that instead of bankrupting the company, the gouvernment would simple accept payment in current share values, which went up greatly based on the co ownership with the gouvernment and first dibs on mining federal lands ( Quebec Federal Lands) Since the monetary gains are so fantastic, funds became available for taking editoral control of the french newsmedia and inciting the french to began the separatist movement, coinciding with the degaullest “vive la quebec libre” speech as he became antiamerican in his old age, stating that the USA should not be allowed a superpower status, and sided with the russians who funnelled funds into the redevelopment of the university of montreal in an effort to ultimately create a petite quebec de la nord—as it turned out rene lesvesque died, degaull died, the russian machine opted for a form of democracy that allow the elitests to grab control of vast russian assets. So as the years passed, the separatist gouvernment ethnically cleansed about 600,000 poor anglos from quebec and setup an immigration quebec who assigned 1000 immigration quebec lawyers who sell asylum status to 3rd world countrymen who would sign anything to escape the hell of the 3rd world, they all agree to educate their families in french and opt for separation, plus the lawyers charge heavilly for their services and have the destitute sign servatude agreements, and locate jobs and financial administraitors who inslave these new quebec citizens that replace the departing anglos, up to 200,000 immigrants are brought into quebec annually, only thing is, once they have their papers, they go shopping in plattsburg NY and become lost in the sea of illegal american immigrants, allowed to speak the language of their choice and when they have a child , are mostly allowed to stay, since the child is an american citizen. If all the new immigrants kept their part of the bargain, Quebec would have more than 12,000 citizens by now. Hey would you rather be speaking the internetional business language of the world, 85% of all scientific discovery, the home of the computer, the internet, or Quebecois, a language spoken only on the streets of quebec, believe me its not french from france. Its a convoluted dialect all its own. and the battle isn’t about culture, its about real estate and geophysical assets. For a truthful vote to take place all the expelled anglos would have to be reinstated, and reimbursed for damages. The immigrants, mostly from failed french colonies like: haiti. berunda, rewanda, vietnam, french north africa, etc etc. Quebec is a criminal orientated bloc quebecois who control the ballots—Its an accident waiting to happen. Once they take over the native american territories I hate to think what will happen to the cityfolk of Quebec. The natives of the land are nature savy, and they are no longer armed with bows and arrows. The first things they will do is takeout the dams ( that supply NYC lights and then the major bridges. I can just see the canadian dollar plummet to new lows. Yea right with all your fancy philosophy about culture. Your living on the lands of the indians you murdered, trying to become the The Israel of quebec and russia, hey good luck in your next life, because when you seperate and defranchise the indians. you may well end up there sooner than you would if you simply accepted to be a member of a country ranked no 1 in the world for human rights, ( ignoring what you did to your neighbor ) living in a country where the first three years of college is free, free medical, among the best in the world, and no fault insurance ++++++ You must be insane. Canada is Oficially bilingual. The majority of federal jobs are held by quebecers, To destroy all this so some rich international citizen world class mafia can get at assets that denature the great north. Take a good look at Sudbury, is that where you wanna live, a place where nothing will grow, and nothing lives

All this american hatred? I only saw such things in quebec when they actually targeted 1 1/4 % of montreals population, Americans, and advised them to move out of quebec, back in 1979. Since I am mostly native american I ignored it, they destroyed my business, my family, they shot my dog, they imprisoned me 4 times, they imprisoned my 15 year old daughter for 5 years, we commited no crimes. I am just biding my time until they separate and try to take the native american lands, I am not alone, I am not an internet terrorist. Every thing I have said is truth. If you feel terrorized by the statement of fact then I suggect you contact the authorities. I have no fear of cowards

I’d be curious to hear on what ground “they” destroyed your business and jailed your 15 years old daughter for 5 years.

Native americans in Quebec are showered with millions of tax-payer’s money through welfare and billions in big hydro-electric pants deals. Their extremely corrupt leaders then take the government money and go squander it it Las Vegas, while their community is on subsistance level.

Your rant seems to mix a lot of things that I won’t reply to, but the general ideal in my opinion would be for the native americans to succeed and form their own country.

For that, they’d have to give away the millions they get of welfare, though.

And they can forget about their eternal claim for all the land, some of it was stolen (as everywhere else), some of it was bought off by europeans (such as the bay of toronto) - which the native americans still complain about (not strong on property rights and title transfer), and the vast majority of it was never homesteaded: there’s just so much a few thousand people using primitive means can do in a territory the size of Canada.

You appear to suffer from literary hypnosis, you believe whatever you care to believe from all the things you read, hear and see. This sort of thinking requires you to make decisions without access to the variables, which leads to dispair and confusion. I too used to think along similar lines. Then I began to realize that to make a valid decision or statement that It must be based on fact, reality. In order to accomplish this, Its simply really. First you identify the variables surrounding the situation you want to make a decision about. Next you put the variables into the order in which they occur. Next you study these variables with regard to frequencies of occurance, and give them their respective values. What has happened in the situation you’ve studied is illustrated by your study. You can verify the study by looking at the current situation, and if your study has predicted the present situation with accuracy, then you can make a valid statement about the present. Future predictions can be stated upon the condition that the variables remain the same. Unfortunately life sometimes throws new variables at us, changing the situation. or the variables change in frequency of occurance. future is difficult to predict with absolute accuracy. You can make a valid statement one day, which may not be valid the next, because time changes all things, thus we have transgenic truths, which are often confused with absolute truths. In which case we think we are correct, when in fact we are mistaken. Since we are all of us together in this world, getting along can only be had by respecting everyone and everything around you. Some things you must avoid to remain as you are. Disrespect some peoples, and they will never give up until the account is settled. People who have disrespect for someone who has respect for them are able to deceive their neighbor, maybe even murder them and take what they have, however time itself has a way of correcting these situations, in ways where our languages themselves are unable to describe. In fact our languages are unable to describe reality, although our laws would differ with me on this ( absolute laws are transgenic truths ). I respect their right to disagree, they do not respect my right to disagree with them, so it is something i must take unto myself. There are some people that if you disrespect their human rights, then you have made a mistake that given time and reality will have dire consequencies for those who disrespect the rights of others. Such is humanity, and indeed nature itself. The world is a bad place right now, but I have hope for the future, with one book where we can all meet and find truth—In The Spirit of Truth—

Urgh, wall of text has blinded me. [:|]