Canada's Statist Criminals as Bad as America's

[Jon_Irenicus]

I asked, “Is Canada Freer than the US?” A Canadian responds:

Canada is actually a fascist country which is why the Heritage Foundation likes us. As background, let me explain the organization of the statist’s criminal enterprises. I will also address each of the points in your article.

There are three major English political parties. The NDP is a socialist party financed by the unions and those on the far left. They have no chance of getting into power. The Liberals are generally in majority power in Parliament because they straddle the centre, except for on economic issues where they are extremely pro-business (The managed-trade NAFTA was first proposed by a Liberal, for example). They will do anything to gain and then maintain power. I mean anything. The Conservatives consist of two ‘wings’: the Red Tories who are like Democrats; and the Blue Tories, who are like Republicans.

In practice this means that Liberals are always in power until their corruption, greed or mismanagement gets them thrown out occasionally (like now). The media always present three points of view which they skew to make the Conservatives look radical and evil. So, anything ‘conservative’ or ‘libertarian’ is labeled as ‘American’ and immediately the federally-funded Canada Council funds a bunch of university professors and their publishers and distributors to write scathing books to vilify any non-conventional idea. In order to maintain power the Liberals keep Bay Street happy with pro-business policies, and get legislation past by tossing bones to the socialists. (That’s how we got f----d (sorry for the language but that’s the only appropriate word) with the ‘Health Care’ system that inflicts its sadist, cruel, monopolistic, bureaucratic ways on us daily.) The Conservatives are always fighting each other and have trouble staying cohesive. (In the 90’s, the Conservatives were actually divided into, at one point, 5 separate parties.)

Empire? 2/3rd’s of Canada lives along a small strip along the St. Lawrence River. The rest of the country is essentially a colony (the Liberal’s new proposed ‘Green Plan’ will screw everyone outside the populated corridor if they get into power.)

Police State? Ever heard of a ‘Minister’s Security Certificate’? Indefinite detention. We look at you Americans freaking out about the ‘Patriot Act’ and say, “Welcome to our reality buddy.” An internationally-known recognized symbol of Canada is a Mountie. A policeman. And you state that Canada is not a police state? The first thing the English did when they decided they needed a railroad across Northern North America so they could get troops quickly to Hong Kong if necessary is murder the leader of a group of settlers who wanted their own country outside of European control (Louis Riel). Then they sent in armed thugs (the Northwest Mounted Police, who later became the Royal Canadian Mounted Police), to ‘establish’ their presence and forcibly remove any American in the territory they were claiming as theirs. If you look at the names of all the major cities in Western Canada, they all used to start with the word ‘Fort’. Who established those forts? Cops. School children are taught it was to ‘protect’ the Indians from American whiskey traders. But it was only about military control. Children again are taught, Americans live by the motto ‘freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.’ Canadians by the words ‘peace, order and good government’. As any libertarian understands, the second concept is in direct contradiction to the first. And of course the last concept is a classic oxymoron.

Prisoners? Obviously you’re not an aboriginal. Their incarceration rate is appalling. The Conservatives are busy building new prisons.

Property Rights? WTF??? is the Heritage Foundation thinking? There are no property rights in the Constitution (don’t get me started on that document), or in theory, or practice.

Freedom? Haven’t heard of provincial ‘Human Rights Commissions’? If you publish the infamous ‘Danish cartoon’ in your magazine: $100,000 in legal fees. Result? Bankruptcy. Review a book in your magazine that a Muslim complains about? Hauled up in front of a panel like it’s the Spanish Inquisition. It is a well known policy of Canada Customs to seize ‘inappropriate’ books and magazines at the border. At any time your car can be stopped for no reason and you will be questioned (Check Stops). Want to have a public event without paying for ‘policing’? Good luck with that. Want to go duck hunting? You need an annual permit for your firearm. If you have this permit, you agree that at any time, a police officer can enter your premises without a warrant to ensure the firearm is being stored ‘safely.’ Hand guns are prohibited (except in the hands of a government agent). Religious programs on TV are essentially censored if they want to keep their license to operate. You would not believe what ‘The Copyright Board’ is proposing, or some of the other proposals being negotiated with other countries to deal with ‘intellectual property.’ Access to herbal medicines and vitamins (VITAMINS!) are about to be severely restricted. If it wasn’t nearly 3:00 a.m., I would go on for hours. With a little scotch poured in me, I often do. But first; you have to endure my obligatory tirade about how much taxes are on booze.

If you want to establish a business doing something conventional like drill for oil or start a mining company, you may think Canada is free because the statists need money. Especially money from big American corporations who fund the Heritage Foundation. Also, it is in the interest of Republicans to ensure the Conservatives stay in power, and the way the Bank of Canada is devaluing our currency in-step with the Federal Reserve probably also has something to do with their position. Also, on the last day of Parliaments’ sitting before the summer break, the Conservative parties military spending estimates were posted which show massive spending plans on the statist tools of violence the Heritage Foundation probably loves.

Say the wrong thing, start a business that ‘the establishment’ considers a threat, be the wrong ethnic origin, live in the wrong part of the country, be ‘too successful’, don’t play enough of the ‘right’ music on your radio station, don’t label your products packaging or your store front in the right language, or God forbid; get sick and you will soon find that Canada is not very free at all.

In the past, we would just move to the States. But that isn’t really an option anymore because your country has gone insane…

Source.

Why would anyone think the US is more fascist than Canada? [:S]

-Jon

[Deist]

I love going up to Canada when I can (I go to the rural areas) but they are very anti-libertarian (like Massachusetts would be if it was not for some aspects of the federal and state constitutions). I suggest anyone go up there and buy a Diet Mt. Dew and take a look at the warning on the side, it is so long it makes me chuckle every time I chug it down and kill myself a little more, or so it tells me that is what I am doing. Cigar warnings actually show the pictures of cancer infected gums on the product.

I have seen alot of cases of their anti defamation law attacking those that are not politically correct enough and even those that are too politically correct, such as extreme feminists.

Regardless however I have been fascinated by Canadian history and in many ways they seemed promising until the great depression and of course the f#$%ing prime minister Trudeau showed up (he is a saint in Canadian liberal politics) and screwed things up beyond recognition. As far as the rest of the country being a colony I think the actions of Trudeau when he was in power showed that, especially with his enforcement of martial law when Quebec terrorists killed a government official (not an excuse to take everyone elses rights aways) and during the 1970’s oil crisis when he personally exploited the west of Canada (since it was not vote rich like Ontario). All in all he is one of the most arrogant politicians I have ever read about! Like flipping off protestors and mouthing the f word to oppostion party leaders. Oh how I love tryanny of the majority!

Yeah all in all this post is just a little diatribe against one of Canada’s most cherished icons. I am also a little drunk when I posted this I wont lie.

[liberty_student]

I missed this post.

Canadians generally are very unlibertarian. However, they expect government to stay on a leash.

I hope to organize a Canadian Austrian/Libertarian Group here in the forum one day. Or at least participate in one.

[Menno_Caven]

Hmmm all three previous posters on this thread have alluded to imbibing while writing their posts. I’ll add myself and make that four–one needs it here in Liberal dominated Ontario (even if one can only get booze at the Liquor Control Board of Ontario or the Beer Store (a good name, admittedly, but still government run)).

Here’s a few more abuses we suffer here which in my present state I must mention…

The recent gun registry scandal. This was a brilliant plan to have legal gun owners register their firearms in order to make gun crimes more easily traceable. Oh, and not-to-worry, my 86 year old grandfather registered his 22–though he hadn’t fired it in around 55 years. Estimated cost of program–2 million; real cost–somewhere in the billions. Really.

Also, and this is how petty we are up here, tobacco products can no longer be on display in gas stations etc. So when you ask for a pack of Player’s Light kingsize (for just over $10) the clerk lifts various metal shutters until she stumbles upon the right brand. I should mention that most places now have neat little labels on the shutters for speedier access.

The no-tobacco-on-display goes for some cigar shops as well, apparently, as when I recently went to a store to buy a few cigars for some buddies and myself I was referred to a catalog of their cigars. I didn’t touch, see, or smell the cigars until the clerk went and got them for me. I’m sure that garbage won’t last long and that cigar shops will fight back but I have no doubt that the gas stations etc. will go down without a fight.

P.S. Smoking is, of course, not allowed in any semi-public building, within 30 feet of the door of any of these establishments, or under a covered patio. Yes, we have to smoke in the rain and snow. And it can be very cold here.

[Kakugo]

Welcome to the everyday reality of living in Canada/Europe/any part of the “Democratic and Freedom-loving West”! [;)]

I recall that when Homeland Security was introduced to the US an European right-wing magazine (whose name I forgot long ago" said “Finally Americans have discovered that it’s impossible not to have an Internal Affair Ministry, ID Cards and security checks”!

Europe has given the world some of its greatest invention but also some of its worst nightmares. I think you would agree that Socialism in all its variants (including Fascism, Socialdemocracy, Enviromentalism etc) is one of the worst products ever to come out from here.

[liberty_student]

Very true about the cigarettes.

Welcome to the forum. [:)]

[jpk]

Great topic. Since the topic of alcohol control in Ontario has come up, there are some good websites that Ontarians and visitors/friends of Ontario should check out.

A website about ending the Beer Store monopoly - www.freeourbeer.org

A website I recently started dedicated to ending the LCBO monopoly - www.endthelcbo.com

There are two petitions that are circulating, one for ending the beer store and the other for the LCBO. Please sign if you have the time.

LCBO petition - http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/endtheLCBO/index.html

Beer Store petition - http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nobeerstore/index.html

Ontario has one of the most controlled alcohol systems in the world. The funny thing is, most Ontarians put up with it! This shocked me when I first came here, having lived in countries with more liberal regimes. Citizens buy the idea that they can’t be trusted to control their own drinking, and need a big brother to do it for them. If Ontarians only went down to the U.S. where wine is safely sold in gasp Costco, they’d realize that the LCBO and Beer Store are silly institutions.