Was Tim McVeigh really a libertarian?

“However, I don’t share your view that armed struggle always leads to victory for the state as there have been numerous countries that have secured their independence through exactly those means - America included.”

In the end, as elsewhere, all that the American revolution accomplished was to throw of one group of oppressors and replace it with another [some might even argue that the replacement was in fact just the original oppressor, i.e. the British Empire, disguised- but that’s a whole other can of worms].

“Secondly I do not share the view that the state can be persuaded to go quietly into that good night rather it will require a highly organised and dedicated minority to overthrow it.”

I never meant to appear to suggest that it could, or would, “go quietly into that good night”. And what do you have in mind for this imaginary " highly organised and dedicated minority" to replace the state with, once it /they have overthrown it? Let me guess- another, albeit “new” [but somehow better] state apparatus, right?

Regards, onebornfree.

Onebornfree drawing clonclusions he wants to draw from pictures of destroyed buildings? Never heard of!

He used force. So he was not libertarian.

He was not not a libertarian because he used forced. He was not libertarian because he murdered.

Blowing up children tends to violate the NAP.

He most likely would have claimed that the state did violate the NAP first and that the kids in the creche at the state building were just collateral damage.

Still a bit odd I think. But that’s because I don’t follow his method to resolve the issue.

He could be a libertatian, except for the fact that OKC was an inside job and this McVeigh dude was a decoy.

He could be a libertatian, except for the fact that OKC was an inside job and this McVeigh dude was a decoy.

What is the evidence for that statement. Wasn’t he just a single disgruntled perpetrator?

Do you think that if I had any hard evidence for such a fact I would be talking about it in an internet forum?

But I’m inclined towards the conspiracy theory view of the case.

If you ask a liberal, then yes. But so is Hitler.

If you ask a liberal, then yes. But so is Hitler.

That was quick.

He could be a libertatian, except for the fact that OKC was an inside job and this McVeigh dude was a decoy.

Do you have even a hint of evidence that backs up your theory?

That was quick.

Well for people who consider fascism to be a species of capitalism, it isn’t an illogical conclusion to drift towards.

You can certainly act outside of your belief set.

Well for people who consider fascism to be a species of capitalism, it isn’t an illogical conclusion to drift towards.

I think it was the Marxist-Leninist tag line since the 1930s. “Fascism” is the last stage of “Capitalism”.

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