No just because being logical does not necessarily infer likeability. This happens to be something that is logical and I like it. There are things that are logical that I do not in fact like yet still do them because they are logical and rational.
Flourishing is more accurate cause excellent in greek is arete, but what I’m pointing out is that a flourishing intellect is an excellent, noble intellect.
True in both questions. I’m open-minded and if something more noble comes along my effort would be to gain access to that new sunlight and flourish, to be metaphoric.
Ah, well said then.
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Cain:
A few questions:
“I’m stating that eudaimonia is a state of mind that we strive to achieve…”
In reference to this part of your passage, do you mean that at the time of striving, we do not have eudaimonia? Or at the time of striving we have a little of it, but are striving for more?
- Regarding the constitutive means you mention, are you aware of any articles or lectures where Long treats this subject more extensively than in his 2005 lecture which was published in 2006 as an article on this site?
What we have are constitutive means towards eudaimonia and it really depends on the eudaimonia of each individual.Let us use my eudaimonia which is relatively simple, intelligence. I love flourishing intellectually, I love school, I am actually going for my PhD I love it that much. Now because I went to college is that my eudaimonia? Well yes and no. I perhaps experienced a bit more of it then I would have if I graduated high school, however if I were to graduate with a masters I would experience more then undergrad…and on it continues until I reach a state in which I feel satisifed with what I am. Now like I said this can be rather ambiguous and I guess this is one of the few cases I apply normative subjective value.
I’d love to read them. I can’t get enough of his articles. If you would be so kind as to link them then I would be thankful.
You may have misunderstood my last question. I meant, where can I find more articles or lectures by Long on constitutive means, besides the 2006 article? Do you know of any? (also besides his mention of it in the Yeager book review)
When you write that we have constitutive means towards eudaimonia, this seems to indicate that the constitutive means would be “external” to the eudaimonia, and thus “instrumental” means. This is where it gets interesting, and that’s why I would like to see more on the subject by those who are developing these concepts.
Congratulations on your educational achievements. Libertarianism is ascending.
Oh no my constitutive means are apart of intellectual pursuit. In example: Graduating high school, graduating college, going for a PhD. These are means that are apart of my flourishing therefore constitutive.
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Moral Standpoint
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Aristotelian Ethics of Virtue
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Objective and Subjective Value
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The Praxeological cause for ultimate ends
Have you listened to these?
Thank you for these references. Much appreciated.
OK Constitutive means are part of intellectual pusuit and part of flourishing.
How do you conceive flourishing to be diminished when that is the case? How would you describe the case where flourishing is prevented, curtailed, or frustrated in some way?
Constitutive means are part of intellectual pursuit and part of flourishing. Then what is the opposite or negative or negation of this idea, if any?
That’s a very good question. Obviously we have to take a mix of realism and idealism when it comes to our flourishing. What I mean to say is that I can be overly idealistic in my flourishing and want to be the first man to make warp drives for Starfleet command or be the first man through an aritifical stargate. Obviously these are not things possible in my time. However, I don’t want to make it something so simple as building a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. It would depend on the individual above all.
Do you mean the opposite of constitutive means? Or the negation of flourishing? If it is the latter which I think you mean then it could be called coercion [ either violently or non-violently ], interference, perhaps apathy [ a refusal to flourish ]
I agree. It is both from external and internal limitations upon flourishing that can misdirect will due to physical coercion from an object external and the humans inherent act of free choice to counter their own nature (tendency).
Hi Cain.
No. I meant from the point of view of the one who is interfered with or coerced. Individual A is flourishing. Then something happens that affects his flourishing negatively. It could be a natural event, or it could be interference on the part of person B.
If his flourishing is interfered with, we can’t say he “refuses” to flourish. He is trying to flourish, but something is preventing him.
In common speach, the opposite of happiness is unhappiness. So my question was, with regard to flourishing, what is the term for the opposite of flourishing or the diminishment of flourishing ?
Adam