Of course. The babies and the elderly particularly. The army is very good at demonizing and then killing the helpless. Macho guys like Josh get a license to kill civilians, and then make up stories about how it was for the greater good.
well babies, you know how they come out of the womb now…
There is a portion of our ‘nation’ which knows and understands military tactics.
According to you that is enough to kill everyone no matter if it is compulsory or voluntary.
Excuse me. This will sound arrogant but I think I happen to be at least one of the most knowledgeable persons in this forum on the Pre-WII Japanese social structure and nationalist organizations [ No one has in fact talked about Japan here unless it has to do with 1980’s bubble activities ] and it seems to me that you have been watching too much ‘Tora Tora Tora!’ or some other film that demonizes the Japanese people as crazed fanatics. The civilian population after the early 1930’s were to a large degree inconsequential to the aims and goals of the Japanese military. By that time the Young Officers organization and other radical militant officers had inspired so much fear within the civil government that they were able to condense power into a super political party in the Japanese diet [ they had already taken over the Japanese Cabinet and installed military leaders or those sympathetic to expansionist Japan policy ]. Individuals could only truly vote for the ‘Imperial Rule Assistance Association’, The Tokyo and Kyoto Universities were routinely objected to ‘dangerous thought’ purging, due to the Peace Perservation Act of 1925, anyone trying to formulate a political party that defied the government will would be imprisoned. By 1937 both the Anarchist and Communists in Japan were imprisoned due to dangerous thought, police raids were constantly happening in order to keep the populace in line. School education was dictated by the state and included feverent nationalist ideas about the superiority of the divine Japanese emperor over the world. Military generals were declaring Japan in a state of emergency, giving the false impression that spies from the west were inflitrating the Japanese people when really it was just due to their will to dominate. All this was happening and you say ‘Well they just happily went along’
Laughing Man,
I’ve read up on some Japanese history and culture, but you definitely seem to bring this from a greater memory/knowledge than I.[Y] Let me know if this is correct from what I remember. Didn’t this start with the Meiji Restoration and then this set-up an easier slam dunk for the military to take over in time?
The Japanese government has always tried to sustain a military like culture since the age of the Shogunate. They made edicts on peasants being unable to travel or at the very least they needed to announce their presence at the local buddhist temple [ this was to keep track of them ]. The local lords needed to practice alternative attendence in the city of Edo [ Tokyo ] in which their family was held hostage while they spent 1-2 years in the city and 3 years back in their homeland running it. This costed the lords a great deal of money for they have to sustain two households of wealth plus constantly travel back and forth. Anyways when the Meiji period came around there was actually a vast liberalization of the Japanese culture which embraced western culture [ much like 1920’s Japan ] however, there were a few elements within the government who felt they were growing to love the west too much and losing their essence. Their ‘Japanese-ness’ and so during the late 19th century there was a curtailing of such liberalization. This reactionist traditional view is much like the one seen in the 1930’s except people were more feverent due to the depression which happened in 1927 for the Japanese. During the Meiji period, a public education system was also setup for individuals who were not nobility so [ and this is strange ] the more educated the individuals were the more susceptable they were to newspaper and radio propaganda. It is almost like ignorance is bliss. In a sense their military imperialism did start during the Meiji period with the Sino-Japanese war and the Russo-Japanese War. Actually interestingly enough the Russo-Japanese war is the first war that a Western nation lost to an Eastern one. The Russians were quite embrassed. The imperialism continued with the annex of Korea in 1910, WWI with Port Arthur [ the Japanese had to give it back which pissed them off ], the Mukden incident in 1931, and the Marco Polo Bridge incident in 1937 which started the war with China. The Japanese like calling things ‘incidents’
Nonsense. Soldiers are very aware of the ideological differences between themselves and those they kill, that’s why they are killing them!
When Gandhi was being harrassed for wanting to be free of the British Empire, the British soldiers were doing it because they had never been exposed to the ideas they were actively trying to stamp out? I wonder why.
Would the Swiss populace in the late 1930’s be considered soldiers? If Germany invaded would they be called mass murderers? Anyone?
Even my (un-P.C.) conservative Republican friends think joining the military is stupid. They’ll join me when I mock the troops.
Interesting that you chose the Swiss over all the countries that actually were invaded by Germany. Just further proof that the only good combatant is a non-combatant?
But if Germany had invaded Switzerland, they would have been a slave army killing and dying in order to preserve a state; just like the Poles and Russian.
There’s a reason why Germany didn’t invade the Switzerland which rebuts the claim that the best defense is the best offense (I hope you didn’t skimmed this essential part of history)? My question wasn’t about being a “good combatant” The question is “Could they be considered soldiers.” Since a cowardly individual here started to infer that any individual who practices the art of combat [soldier] (including non-Government) is automatically a psychotic baby-killer. The art of combat is a field of specialty, just like any other field, which is an essential part for human survival, whether you like it or not. Humans don’t magically become trained soldiers the next day in a impending crises.
So if Switzerland was an Anarcho-Capitalist country instead of a Republic and Germany attacked your telling me they should just bend-over and give up their freedoms! 1940’s Switzerland is the closet “resemblance” in human history on how Proto-Anarchistic country would’ve of acted. I said resemblance not exactly, remember that.
Might you be talking about me ? I’d bet two cents, judging by your language and ideas, that you belong to the psychotic baby-killer club, sorry! I mean, you are honorable master of the art of ‘defense’…
The profession of a soldier is that of a killer. There is no disputing that. Have there been baby-killing soldiers in the past? Most certainly. Does this apply to all soldiers? Absolutely not, yet they are still trained to kill and when a soldier is carrying out there task that is their objective [ to kill ]. There is nothing glorious about martial values. To quote Bastiat on the Romans who were perhaps the most militant peoples of the world:
I bought the neo-con fascist statist line before too. It is never honorable to fight for the state. Once you pull the trigger you will always be a murderer. There is no going back. You will not be prosecuted, you may even be hailed as a righteous hero. It is all a lie.
Your training may or may not save in the event you make contact, close with, and destroy the “enemy.” If you survive the scar on your conscience will always be there. You will have to live with the fact you are a Murderer. Even if you never see combat this scar will show its ugly face.
After this you will have three options. Justification, suicide, or admission.
I pulled the trigger. I came home. It was long journey. I can now only ask for forgiveness.
You seem to grasp the NAP, and have admitted yourself that the American Gunverment oppresses and kills innocents. If you join with this understanding; you have chosen the option of justification. This will lead to homicide and quite possibly suicide. Don’t do it. If you are truly a warrior, then either join or form a militia that adheres to the non-aggression principle.
All state military organizations create murderers. Some of us warriors have woken and are now asking forgiveness. Don’t be one of us. We shouldn’t be celebrated.
as an aside. Most soldiers who wake up to what they have become put a bullet in their head. Those who don’t cry for the rest of their lives.
Is that what you want? Perhaps you will never wake up.
I don’t know, but at this point I wouldn’t mind if someone nuked Washington, D.C. [:@]
A quote from the master:
All warfare is based primarily on the deception of an enemy. Fighting on a battlefield is the most primitive way of making war. There is no art higher than to destroy your enemy without a fight—by SUBVERTING anything of value in the enemy’s country.
Sun Tzu
Chinese philosopher
500 B.C.
If Obama gets his way, it’s not the American military we’ll need to worry about.
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obamas_civilian_national_secur.html
Not even.
Isn’t it humorous that Obama was elected as an relief from Bush militarism?
Well, conservatives hoped that Bush wouldn’t use military as much as Clinton 