It is also a position shared by me.
LOL.
Its just an extension of the same idea that it is honorable to protect the small weak kid on the playground from the bully. I think that it was seen as honorable to protect your family when the family next door raids your house, carry that over to village tribes,cities,nations ect. Those are all defensive conflicts, then a group discovers that the best defense is a good offense(tactically and strategically true in a war opposite applies when speaking on foreign policy and starting wars), or that it is imperative to defense to capture a resource or location that happens to belong to another group, then came preemptive strike. There is a yearning (an honorable one) to protect ones nation, its defense of the soil, the people, your family and the group(nationality) you identify with. I find it perfectly honorable to fight in a war, those who start them should be held to greater scrutiny. To the soldier while he is intelligent he trustes his countrys elected leaders and does his duty because he is ordered to. He may disagree but he does his duty because of the idea that he is doing the will of his country. He goes on orders and fights the battles with no lofty national or political goals but for the man next to him. In regards to the individual soldier, military service is an honorable and comendable action and sacrifice.
To give you an idea on my perspective- I am about to become a midshipmen and when I complete college will be commissioned as a Marine officer. I come from a long line of career military vets going back to the revolution. I started to consider myself a libertarian about a year ago and have been emersing myself in libertarian and other related philosophys since. Also because I have not been sworn in yet I can say this, I am joining the military because I want to defend america, my homeland and my countrymen, to defend freedom(while things may be bad freedom has a better chance of flourishing here than anywhere else). I serve my country and my countrymen not any government. I will temporarly be a pawn but it is a price I must pay for the time while things get fixed.
Well, it does lead into a paradox of sorts. State’s emerge out of agression and/or fear, but they also perpetuate these two things as well. Self-defense against the state would be spun by state propaganda as an ‘attack’ on ‘freedoms’, & a rationalized civil war is eventually down the road between statists & anti-statists of the same country.
More realistically (I do not see some sort of anti-statist vs. statist ultimatum coming for quite sometime, honestly), we will probably see this regarding sucessionists in favor of smaller states and/or smaller government, as the overall government’s continue to grow.
Interestingly, I just began read this article while writing this post here, which depicts a possible future where secessionists become the domestic terrorist scapegoats of the Brave New World in 2084.
That’s why the greatest weapon is the spreading of our ideas and philosophy. In the even of a violent selfdefense and it was declared by the government as an"attack on liberty" if there were enough enlightened people out there we could refute it easily
rubbish.
So you are going to murder people because your political masters tell you to ?
rubbish.
rubbish. you will be a hired murderer working for the state.
Thank you for the defense of our soldiers
I would like to point out there are more libertarians in the military than you think, I am a libertarian joining the military, my dad is a libertarian in the military and libertarian ideals appeal to the same people than typically join the military.
LOL. People in the military are not libertarians they are murderers.
Here’s a guy working for the military who understood what libertarianism is AFTER joining. Maybe you should take a look at his site.
you are a despicable fool. You fail to realize three things
1 a nation consists of more than a government
2 untill you get the whole world to buy into anarchy on more than an idealogical level you will need some rudimentary form of government to provide defense
3 If you greatly stress the distinction between the thinkers and fighters you end up with fools for defense and only cowardly intellectuals
You do not know me you do not know my beliefs do not tell me why I choose to give away my life so you can keep yours or doubt the If we actually had a government solely restricted to defense I would give my self to it so people like you can keep yours away from it.
you also fail to address all my comments and only note those that you can refute as a ignorant"scholar" on a highhorse seperate from the realitys of life
No, you are despicable wannabe murderer. Now, go educate yourself.
So what is your solution you moron? you think we should just do away with soldiers. I completely agree war is horrible but like murder but people will always try to find prey and violently force their will on it. you are a fool, its not the loss of our bodies that soldiers sacrifice its our soul, our innocence that we face these evils so others dont have to.
Soldiers sacrifice nothing. They are people who have no objection to murder - rather they cherish murder. So they join the military in order to be able to ‘legally’ murder without having to pay the costs.
Now, go learn what libertarianism is.
So if a person was to walk apon your plesent free and prosperous home point a gun in your face or say shoot a family member you would stand down because you would not want to be murderer. or would you fight and be a soldier for your family. its the same thing
or to really parallell this situation with reality you could hire a person to protect your family from gun wielding lunatics( or lunatics in charge of of a nation that decides it needs more of a role in the world)
you sound remarkably like a modern liberal.
tell me how many bloodlusted murderous soldiers do you personally know, do you know the men who have died have you ever met thier families have you ever met the ones that protected the right for us to be having this discussion or this site to even exist? Do you know the fathers brothers teachers doctors preachers who are in the military
Gun wielding lunatics like you ? You see, you are not the solution, you are the problem.
No, you sound like a clueless neocon. Really, go learn the basics.
Learn what libertarianism is? you could do the same Libertarians-as do I- believe that wars of intervention are wrong fighting for other countrys are wrong and that most of our wars are for economic gain, also wrong. Libertarians do not believe in sticking our head in the sand and ignoring the reality of the world.
To your comment about soldiers all being people seeking to murder freely were the men who said goodbye to thier family for the last time to fight for freedom in the revolution also murdering bastards
in what way am i a gun wielding lunatic, so is every gangster in the streets of LA a Marine then?
you have yet to use any kind of logical argument. I dare you to enlighten me because so far your level of debate matchs that of a three year old. Simply saying “no” doesnt make it so. so please convience me and everyone else your right.
the reality of the world is that the amerikkkan state is a rogue state - always was.
well, no, ordinary criminals are less corrupt (and lunatic) than government officials - at least gangsters don’t hide their crimes behind lies like ‘patriotism’ ‘honor’ and similar rubbish.