So the cat is out of the bag. Intellectual communism, like all other forms of communism, is the result of jealousy and anger at the success of others.
My claim wasn’t about protecting out-dated industries. Instead, it was about protecting industries that would otherwise be bankrupt, whether or not they are out-dated.
twistedbydsign99:
Because actors, directors, and everyone involved in making the movie avatar were grossly over paid. If james cameron was making the same amount of money as say janitor like he should be, given that the tired predictable drivel that leaked out of his brain still made it to the big screen, then who gives a crap if someone copies your movie.
So the cat is out of the bag. Intellectual communism, like all other forms of communism, is the result of jealousy and anger at the success of others.
Thus, the cry in favor of IP.
My claim wasn’t about protecting out-dated industries. Instead, it was about protecting industries that would otherwise be bankrupt, whether or not they are out-dated.
Many industries would go bankrupt if they had to self-produce their security, and all industries would go bankrupt if thieves were protected by the state.
So the cat is out of the bag. Intellectual communism, like all other forms of communism, is the result of jealousy and anger at the success of others.
The idea, script content, art as it is preceived, and title of “avatar” do not belong to anyone. The physical by products of making the movie do. Because people are allowed to have a monopoly on the use of an idea, they are grossly over paid. Its not the other way around, that I think they are grossly over paid therefore there is no ip. No, there is no ip therefore grossly overpaid.
Tobbog:
Daniel Muffinburg:Tobbog:
(Okay, now you will tell me that the production company could have made a contract with the cinema owner, forbidding him to make copies of the film. But then suppose that an employee or someone else who didn’t make a contract with the producers made the copy.)
How exactly does IP prevent that from happening?
Under IP law, both the buyer and the seller of the pirate copy can get punished.
That’s not prevention; that’s punishment. Even if the pirates get punished, the production company (or whomever) will still go bankrupt (as you say they would). Anyway, why should production companies (or whomever) deserve to be protected? Is it because, otherwise, they would go out of business? Should we have also protected the horse and buggy industry?
No, they wouldn’t go bankrupt since all pirate copiers would be forced to go out of business. And since, as a cinema, you can’t hide from public like a drug dealer, a cinema that collaborates with pirate copiers would be easily identifiable and hence wouldn’t dare violating IP law.
The horse and buggy industry went out of business, because competition delivered a way better product: automobiles. In the case of IP, however, “competition” wouldn’t deliver a better product, just a cheaper one. And the only reason they can have it cheaper is, because they didn’t have any production expenses. Therefore, if pirate copiers were free to go into business with cinemas and consumers, they would, step by step, kill their host, the film industry, like parasites, whereas the car industry can perfectly prosper with or without any buggy factory
Stranger:
twistedbydsign99:
Because actors, directors, and everyone involved in making the movie avatar were grossly over paid. If james cameron was making the same amount of money as say janitor like he should be, given that the tired predictable drivel that leaked out of his brain still made it to the big screen, then who gives a crap if someone copies your movie.
So the cat is out of the bag. Intellectual communism, like all other forms of communism, is the result of jealousy and anger at the success of others.
Thus, the cry in favor of IP.
What exactly prevented you all from making a movie like Avatar before Cameron? Was it IP law, or your own deficient skills?
Daniel Muffinburg:My claim wasn’t about protecting out-dated industries. Instead, it was about protecting industries that would otherwise be bankrupt, whether or not they are out-dated.
Many industries would go bankrupt if they had to self-produce their security, and all industries would go bankrupt if thieves were protected by the state.
You lost me.
Daniel Muffinburg:Stranger:
twistedbydsign99:
Because actors, directors, and everyone involved in making the movie avatar were grossly over paid. If james cameron was making the same amount of money as say janitor like he should be, given that the tired predictable drivel that leaked out of his brain still made it to the big screen, then who gives a crap if someone copies your movie.
So the cat is out of the bag. Intellectual communism, like all other forms of communism, is the result of jealousy and anger at the success of others.
Thus, the cry in favor of IP.
What exactly prevented you all from making a movie like Avatar before Cameron? Was it IP law, or your own deficient skills?
I hadn’t conceived of the idea, so neither. Btw, where are you going with this?
The horse and buggy industry went out of business, because competition delivered a way better product: automobiles. In the case of IP, however, “competition” wouldn’t deliver a better product, just a cheaper one. And the only reason they can have it cheaper is, because they didn’t have any production expenses. Therefore, if pirate copiers were free to go into business with cinemas and consumers, they would, step by step, kill their host, the film industry, like parasites, whereas the car industry can perfectly prosper with or without any buggy factory
I tried this argument before. Like all communists, they don’t care who will suffer or how much as a result of their principles. They simply want free stuff now and think private property is unfair.
Stranger:
Daniel Muffinburg:My claim wasn’t about protecting out-dated industries. Instead, it was about protecting industries that would otherwise be bankrupt, whether or not they are out-dated.
Many industries would go bankrupt if they had to self-produce their security, and all industries would go bankrupt if thieves were protected by the state.
You lost me.
No I didn’t. It’s the basic principle of the division of labor applied to protecting property rights.
I hadn’t conceived of the idea, so neither. Btw, where are you going with this?
Bullshit. All we’ve heard on this topic for weeks is that Avatar is just the story of Pocahontas retold. The idea has been around forever.
Why did you not make Avatar before Cameron?
Daniel Muffinburg:Tobbog:
Daniel Muffinburg:Tobbog:
(Okay, now you will tell me that the production company could have made a contract with the cinema owner, forbidding him to make copies of the film. But then suppose that an employee or someone else who didn’t make a contract with the producers made the copy.)
How exactly does IP prevent that from happening?
Under IP law, both the buyer and the seller of the pirate copy can get punished.
That’s not prevention; that’s punishment. Even if the pirates get punished, the production company (or whomever) will still go bankrupt (as you say they would). Anyway, why should production companies (or whomever) deserve to be protected? Is it because, otherwise, they would go out of business? Should we have also protected the horse and buggy industry?
No, they wouldn’t go bankrupt since all pirate copiers would be forced to go out of business.
After or before they have pirated? If it is after they have pirated, then they have already done the damage.
And since, as a cinema, you can’t hide from public like a drug dealer, a cinema that collaborates with pirate copiers would be easily identifiable and hence wouldn’t dare violating IP law.
Why wouldn’t the same be true without IP?
The horse and buggy industry went out of business, because competition delivered a way better product: automobiles. In the case of IP, however, “competition” wouldn’t deliver a better product, just a cheaper one. And the only reason they can have it cheaper is, because they didn’t have any production expenses. Therefore, if pirate copiers were free to go into business with cinemas and consumers, they would, step by step, kill their host, the film industry, like parasites, whereas the car industry can perfectly prosper with or without any buggy factory
Quality is subjective and there is always opportunity costs. There would be a cost for acquiring the pirated movie. Please rewrite your statement fixing the these flaws in your argument.
Daniel Muffinburg:Stranger:
Daniel Muffinburg:My claim wasn’t about protecting out-dated industries. Instead, it was about protecting industries that would otherwise be bankrupt, whether or not they are out-dated.
Many industries would go bankrupt if they had to self-produce their security, and all industries would go bankrupt if thieves were protected by the state.
You lost me.
No I didn’t. It’s the basic principle of the division of labor applied to protecting property rights.
You lost me in the sense that it is a non sequitur. What was the connection from my comment to yours?
Why did you not make Avatar before Cameron?
He did, he just wasn’t first to the patent office. gg.
Stranger:
Daniel Muffinburg:Stranger:
Daniel Muffinburg:My claim wasn’t about protecting out-dated industries. Instead, it was about protecting industries that would otherwise be bankrupt, whether or not they are out-dated.
Many industries would go bankrupt if they had to self-produce their security, and all industries would go bankrupt if thieves were protected by the state.
You lost me.
No I didn’t. It’s the basic principle of the division of labor applied to protecting property rights.
You lost me in the sense that it is a non sequitur. What was the connection from my comment to yours?
That the fact that protecting theft destroys an industry is not an argument against property rights, it is an argument in favor.
Daniel Muffinburg:I hadn’t conceived of the idea, so neither. Btw, where are you going with this?
Bullshit. All we’ve heard on this topic for weeks is that Avatar is just the story of Pocahontas retold.
Because although the story may be the same, Pocahontas wasn’t in 3D, therefore, they are, at least, slightly different.
The idea has been around forever.
Even before the existence of humans?
Why did you not make Avatar before Cameron?
I already answered that. Btw, why didn’t you make Avatar before Cameron?
Stranger:
Why did you not make Avatar before Cameron?
He did, he just wasn’t first to the patent office. gg.
They never went to the patent office for Avatar. The state wasn’t involved at all.
Daniel Muffinburg:Stranger:
Daniel Muffinburg:Stranger:
Daniel Muffinburg:My claim wasn’t about protecting out-dated industries. Instead, it was about protecting industries that would otherwise be bankrupt, whether or not they are out-dated.
Many industries would go bankrupt if they had to self-produce their security, and all industries would go bankrupt if thieves were protected by the state.
You lost me.
No I didn’t. It’s the basic principle of the division of labor applied to protecting property rights.
You lost me in the sense that it is a non sequitur. What was the connection from my comment to yours?
That the fact that protecting theft destroys an industry is not an argument against property rights, it is an argument in favor.
Okay.
Are you saying that IP protects private property rights?
Because although the story may be the same, Pocahontas wasn’t in 3D, therefore, they are, at least, slightly different.
The idea of 3d movies has been around for decades. You are still bullshitting us.
I’ll settle this so you don’t continue to play innocent. You did not make Avatar because Avatar is a good, and like all goods in a world of scarcity it must be produced. Simply having the idea of a good does not bring it to reality. To produce a good takes skill labor and capital, and you have neither of those, which is why you do not constantly release blockbuster films. However, you do feel that you are entitled to having goods for free. That idea, like all other ideas, is worthless.