Where IP law is actually a good thing

Pirates copies are actually inconvenient to get because of the difficulty in finding quality copies and nice download sites involved.(And there’s also a tint of danger of downloading from shady sites) However, a cash strapped teenager have lot of time and can afford inconvenience.

This is not necessary true for adults who have lot of money and whom time is scarce. So they are willing to pay for convenience.

If a convenient music store wish to succeed in the marketplace, it might be willing to give incentive to musicians to gain access to more music libraries. Moreover, it could succeed by making their music libraries more available for download than your typical pirates source, which depend totally on the whim of uploaders and their unreliable upload capacity.

Or ever for that matter, but my point was that getting the “IP” does not make you the legit owner or originator. If I made 90% of the movie avatar, but then dang it that wiley james cameron didn’t sleep for a week and beat me to 100% he shouldn’t get 100% ownership of the idea. But of course I don’t buy into the falsehood that you could own an idea at all.

If you make 90% of the movie Avatar you can still release it and it won’t violate any copyright. Unfortunately, it will also be worthless and you will have wasted your time and money.

Non sequitur. Just because 3D and Pocahontas have existed for decades, doesn’t mean that I had conceived of James Cameron’s Avatar before he did.

What am I alleged to be guilty of?

I want proof of me ever making this claim. If cannot you provide proof, please retract your statement.

But… isn’t one of the reasons for IP to encourage creation of IP? I gotta admit I would feel pretty discouraged. Also should I be murdered for copying james cameron?

I didn’t say you claimed it, I said you feel it. That is why you question why information producers should be protected from you.

As I said, you do not create Avatar because you do not have the talent and means to do so, not because IP law prevents you from doing so. In fact IP law encourages you to do so by protecting your creation and allowing you to reap the full benefits of it.

Avatar truly is the avatar of capitalism.

Let me make this easier for you: How could you possibly know what I feel?

Avata**r’s script is copyrighted. Next idiotic claim of yours, please.

Ideas don’t arise full formed, therefore IP discourages people from developing the partial ideas required for a grand idea because someone will probably beat them to the grand idea.

It is the logical conclusion of your position.

Information can not be owned.

A hacker copying data has caused no injury and therefore can not be punished for copying data even if he trespassed to do so.

Any attempt by the trespassed party to recover the data copied would be a violation of the hackers right to copy.

Therefore you defend the hacker.

What prevents you from writing a script for Avatar?

Did I hurt your feelings?

However, the trespassed party can now trespass over the hacker at will, since by trespassing he has voided his claim to be protected from trespass. Hence his property can be occupied by the copyright owner and done whatever they wish to.

They can both resolve this conflict if the hacker returns all the information he took and all the profits earned, as well as compensation for the costs of obtaining justice.

Writing a script for Avatar? What prevents you from not trolling?

Oh gawd, Please, quit your trolling.

What is my position?

How did this turn into a discussion about hacking? Hackers have a right to copy?

??? If the hacker copied information, then what did he take? Is the information he copied no longer in the computer the hacked?

From Daniel’s position this would not be true since the information is not property. Only if you believe that information can be owned can the trespassed party seek recovery of what was taken. In other words, I have no right to recover something that by Daniel’s definition I did not have.

See, you are defending the hacker…and you wondered why I wrote that.

How am I defending the hacker? Are you saying that copying is the same as taking?