Everyone is equal to everyone, including children.
You really have a problem with recognizing sarcasm don’t you?
Let’s give children weapons in that case.
To answer the question very simply we just do a cost-benefit analysis.
The American state is going to cost you a lot, but not near as much as living with religious fanatics in a place so deprived of capital and infrastructure that you would not have any of the things we take for granted. Plus the American state – given it has a bigger military than the entire world combined – rules the whole world anyway. I mean, they are a mafia… but like when living here, we should just work with what we can change and not what we can’t.
I’d trust some kids with guns over someone like you.
At least these guys know who their enemies really are,
Rightly so?
Oh, I get it: you’re trolling.
Let’s all hop on the Troll Train
Those guns look to be made of wood. I wonder who their enemies are.
What?
Islamists in Somalia are extraordinarily reasonable and moderate. The ICU worked because the ICU was culturally significant. Most Somalis ARE Muslims. Why shouldn’t they be able to form their own system of decentralized control under the basis of their common law?
Even non-Muslim Somalis found the ICU fair and just. You’re just not very well informed about this. The fact is that Somali were attacked by a combination of Ethiopian and US backed efforts to create instability in Muqdisho. Men like Maxamed Qanyare Afrax and Cabdi Xasan Cawaale (a complete political opportunist who switched from his position of chief officer for Maxamed Siyaad Barre to the position of confidant of Maxamed Faarax Caydiid) led the charge against the majority of people in Somalia who were ethnically Hawiye and supporters of the ICU - ruling under a moderate code of Sharia law.
This is not an example of “radical Islamists” messing things up. It’s an example of the US messing things up around the world.
Because Somalia has no central government that is strong enough to ensure economic stability. Just think of how big a risk it is to invest in a country that is completely unstable,and prone to many horrible things.
No.
It’s because the US continually interferes with the affairs of other nations.
Get your effing soldiers out of the area. Put them in your own backyard to watch them tear things up.
Keep your money and go to hell, Amerika.
Are you serious?
Islamists and “reason” does not compute.
The rest doesn’t make any difference. I don’t want to live in Islamic-dominated culture, even if Iran and all of the other Islamic culture “should be allowed to exist.” And why would any of the rest of us that value reason and liberty, either? And if indeed the US has messed things up, which I don’t doubt, it is still the case that it is not good to live there.
The very first time I ran into a bunch of drugged up child soldiers was in this town called Ounaminthe in Haiti on the border with the Dominican Republic in 2001. They mugged me, but asside from that they were not so bad. But nothing is more unsettling that having a 12 year old crackhead with an old Mossberg JIC wearing a t-shirt with Bart Simpson on it that says “Don’t Have a Cow Man”.
To the future colonists:
Next June you should be getting detailed reasons from me why Niger and Chad would be horrible places to just move to as well. I am looking into how hard it would be to go from the Air Mountains to the Tibesti by camel. I am going to read a tourists guide to camel husbandry on the train to work tonight and I am as thrilled as a child who knows he is going to recieve a model train set for Christmas in anticipation of my vacation.
Any of the settler/colonisation advocates plan to travel to any of these places on the list soon…like Somaliland or Somalia…to check them out?
Yes I am serious. Somalia is a horrible place where warlords reign supreme,and there is almost nothing keeping somalia from getting any better. For example the coast of somalia needs to be patrolled because there are many pirates,and agencies that dump pollution into the ocean. For example Somalia recorded its largest fish kill when a few years ago nuclear waste was dumped freely into there waters.
Furthermore the inland water is very unsafe and has all types of microbes that may cause anything from cholera to hepatitis.
it would take a massive investment in order to repair somalia,and the difficulty would be to great for any large investment firm to take on.
Somalia may very well not be ideal. I understood the question in a broader sense of why dont we move somewhere else where a free society could be established. Somalia often comes to mind because most people haven’t thought about other possibilities. Most people have the perception that everywhere is like the west with a well organized central government but in the midst of a poor population. Most small poor countries have much weaker political systems than most people think.
Even if you took Somalia as an example, it is really a numbers question regarding sustainability. Perhaps 100 would have a difficult time but 1000 well armed and motivated freedom lovers would be much more formidable in defending a small area against the types of forces currently in Somalia. It is not really as out of the question as you are making it appear.
If the number grew to 10,000, then you are talking a number that would probably become one of the major political players in the entire country. This is true of most places on the Liberty Colony list of possible locations.
Just to be clear, these are lsited as possible viable locations for the LC. Note, Somalia is one of them. Somaliland is also listed and this is an area traditionally considered part of Somalia but has recently declared it’s independence.
The answer is some people are working on exactly what you are suggesting. If not actually Somalia, then another place where they believe a free society could be established.
Why don’t more people try this? Most people are too comfortable where they are to take the kind of risk necessary to create a free society. When the Pilgrims came to America everyone thought the same about them, why would anyone move to a savage place like America.
Like most things in life, if your the lead dog in something you are often out in front alone. Also, keep in mind if your not the lead dog, the view never changes.
To be honest I feel I’ve been a little more hostile to the LC than it deserves, mainly due to the way it is presented. I think people think too narrowly about strategies for liberty.
There are simply some people out there who are more willing to go to Africa to start some sort of project like this and it seems silly for the rest of us to stop this. Granted, on one hand it’s pulling anarchists out of places in America or wherever else and placing them in Europe but on the other hand it would demonstrate the strengths of the free market. Moreover, if it did work it would create a great example for libertarians to point to, that would show people that we really don’t need the state. The problem is getting enough people in my opinion.
On the other hand I don’t like to rule out the political approach either. On one hand the chances of using the political means to improve our situation are low but it does provide a platform to voice libertarian ideas. At the end of the day if people are never seriously introduced to these ideas they simply won’t believe in them. Ron Paul’s campaign shows an example of this, I wouldn’t say he is an anarchist and yet he’s created a fair few and inspired plenty of others. It has it’s flaws and I don’t think it’s going to work on its own but this doesn’t mean we should dismiss it out right.
Then there’s agorism, the main advantage of which I see being it’s ability to lay the foundations for a libertarian society before we abolish the state. That isn’t to say it doesn’t have other advantages, such as independance from the state to some extent. In addition to this black market activity does undermine the state (as I understand it).
The most important thing however is just getting the ideas out there to the people. People don’t find the New Libertarian Manifesto around the place and if they did they’d be thoroughly turned off by it I daresay. This is where all the ideas come hand in hand. This is why I think many music fans, people out there on torrent sites and the like may be possible targets for libertarian ideas. Even if most bands out that are socialist. Just showing people the difference between the state controlled market (CD stores) and the free market (the access people have to music through the internet) in both fairness and efficiency should be another. I think forums like this are important though for discussion of ideas between libertarians. But introducing libertarian ideas in person is necessary too. Give a friend a copy of The Ethics of Liberty (or send them the PDF), same applies for Callahan or any of the numbers of books for beginners there are out there .
Most people are too comfortable to bother traveling to Belgium (a very comfortable place)…except for Africans who are sometimes willing to cross the Erg Bilma into Libya, hop on a rickety boat and try to aim for where they think Spain will be. Maybe an arrangment can be made with those folks?
Speaking of comfort and travel…
Who in the re-settlement/colonization movement has actually traveled to these places themselves? Which of these places have you traveled to for scouting purposes?
Spain? D:
Well, I suppose that anything sounds better than their old situation.