Why do people who say they love the constitution have no problem with fiat money?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html

States cannot use paper money to pay off debt or emit bills of credit. Therefore their current transactions are all illegal. Our nations money was meant to based off of gold, silver, and copper. It wasn’t mean to be this inflationary. Our founding fathers saw the problem with perpetual debt. Every state uses paper money now to pay off their debt as opposed to using metal currencies. Their whole operations are illegitimate.

The coinage act of 1792- which is still authorized- permits only gold, silver and copper to be used as money. Nothing else can be used in financial transactions (http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/coinage1792.txt). So the actions of the fed are illegitimate. So not only is the system of money that states are using is illegal… but also we’re not supposed to have paper money based on nothing as our national currency anyways. It’s unconstitutional and illegal.

I don’t see why people who claim to love the constitution can be okay with fiat currency and what’s going on today. The nation was meant to have gold and silver as its national currency. So… I don’t know how the whole constitutional argument got overlooked.

They’ve read as much of it as members of parliament read the bills they vote on.

The coinage act of 1792…was that constitutional?

did a process to undo sec 10 need to take place or did it?

i didnt see copper mentioned in the constitution section you posted.

Fuck the constitution! Don’t tell me what money I can use!

Oh you parlimentary hooldum you.

Because they DON’T love the Constitution. They view it as a “living document” which is bullshit. How often can you unilaterally change the term of a contract claiming that it is a “living document”? The Founding Fathers were not perfect men, but they knew that if a government were to exist, it should extremely limited.

The Constitution only says gold and silver. I think that was an error on SilentXtarian’s part.

The language should’ve been more specific. It didn’t say central banks couldn’t make money, just that states couldn’t.

Since there was no mention of a central bank, it was implied that there would never be one.

Or the language was specific and they didn’t want central banks to make money.

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin…

were central banks to only do this with congressional approval?

A fair argument, but obviously not strong enough to have stopped the creation of a central bank. It’s a shame that they didn’t put in the language against central banks. It would’ve saved us so much time and hardship.

I dunno, it probably says something to that effect in the Federal Reserve Act.

…make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts…

is tender in payment of debts significantly different than money?

Congress was supposta do this directly, without a central bank acting as a middleman.

I know, I’m not disagreeing. Just saying.

I don’t think so. My guess is that’s just more archaic/formal version of saying that.

dunno?

The Congress shall have power…“To coin money…”

and the states were to only make gold and silver coin (coins used as money too i guess) as legal tender…

so congress can coin money, states were to only make gold and silver coin as ‘legal tender’ but since the constitution says nothing about a central bank any congressional act conjuring one into existence was ok??

were there correspondences amongst the FFs specifically speaking out against a central bank like entity at the time of the consitutions writing?

Not ok. If it’s not written explicitly in Article One Section 8 (hopefully I don’t have the numbers backwards but it’s the explicit outline of what powers Congress has), then the state’s have the power according to Amendment Nine or Ten (the tenent stating if not given powers to federal government here-in then the power is of the state’s, etc…).

Jefferson saw that everything was going downhill and nobody was upholding the principles that they set-forth and even wrote in the Constitution. He quit as Secretary of State under George Washington has the Hamiltonian faction of huge federal power was ruling the roast and Jefferson didn’t want any part of it anymore.

This.

I think you can relate this to the argument that people make when they use the “General Welfare” argument to pass things like universal health care, because, in their mind, health care falls into general welfare. What many people don’t understand is that “General Welfare” was only relating to things that were outlined in The Constitution. Since health care isn’t discussed in The Constitution, it doesn’t fall into the General Welfare category.