Why don't animals have rights?

[jmorris84]

@Spideynw

@jmorris84

So then they need to speak your language in order for you to understand.

No. There has to be evidence to believe that they can reason and self-actualize.

So someone who has autism to the point that they are living in another world, has no rights?

[nirgrahamUK]

@jmorris84

So someone who has autism to the point that they are living in another world, has no rights?

you just said it makes no difference to them whether they have rights or not in this world. its more important to you than to them . I assume this is because its important to you on their behalf. yet they don’t have a behalf…

[jmorris84]

@nirgrahamUK

@jmorris84

So someone who has autism to the point that they are living in another world, has no rights?

you just said it makes no difference to them whether they have rights or not in this world. its more important to you than to them . I assume this is because its important to you on their behalf. yet they don’t have a behalf…

I honestly have no idea what you just said.

[Spideynw]

@jmorris84

@Spideynw

No. There has to be evidence to believe that they can reason and self-actualize.

So someone who has autism to the point that they are living in another world, has no rights?

Given the premise, that would be correct. However, I do not know a lot about autism. I thought they could reason and self-actualize.

[wadams]

@I. Ryan

@Esuric

Animals will have rights when they start to claim them.

If you seriously believe that the ‘right’ to not be enslaved and killed presupposes the ability to speak our language, you must also believe that I, as an individual who is completely unable to speak Polish but is able to speak English, would not violate the such ‘rights’ of an individual who is able to speak Polish but is not able to speak English if I were to enslave and then later kill that individual because that individual would “have rights” only “when they start to claim them” in a way which I am currently able to understand.

I think that we should change the statement to “Animals will have rights when they start to argue.”

We recognize that all humans have rights because we know that humans have the capacity to argue. By engaging in argumentation, instead of using coercion, we presuppose that the other person has self-ownership rights AND, more importantly, that they are going to respect our self-ownership rights.