Why Has Hollywood Abandoned Non-Stupid Movies?

A couple of directors are still doing a good job. I’ve always thought that Clint Eastwood was a bit underrated as a director. Darren Aronofsky and Paul Thomas Anderson are very good as well. But no movie made by them were blockbusters to be certain as far as I can tell. Titanic was okay, but everybody was more engrossed in Leonardo DiCaprio drawing Kate Winslet naked than film-making prowess.

While there is that misanthropic side of me that thinks society can be colossaly impatient and needy for senseless action and CGI, something tells me that Hollywood underestimates their audience. If they pushed something like Black Swan a little harder, I bet it could have been a bigger hit. A movie like True Grit, which isn’t the best Coen Brothers’ creation, did very well at the box office if I recall. There’s an audience out there that can appreciate film, it’s just that 16 year olds go to the movies more often so that’s the bloc that advertisers and movie-makers cater to.

Ronald Reagan answered the OP’s question of why most movies are lousy these days in his autobiography, An American Life (p. 116-118). He explained:

Of the fifty-three pictures I appeared in, thirty-one were made before the war and twenty-two after… But enormous change was coming to Hollywood after the war, and a lot of it wasn’t for the good.

When I arrived there in my Nash convertible in 1937, there were seven major studios in Hollywood. Each had a huge production lot dominated by barn-like soundstages where the interior scenes of movies were shot, a make-believe New York City neighborhood, and a western town with false-fronted saloons and a dusty main street for exterior shots. The studios also owned large ranches in the San Fernando Valley where western and outdoor movies were filmed.

In those days Hollywood was run a lot like an old-fashioned candy store: You cooked it in the back and sold it in the front. Each studio had a big stable of contract actors, writers, directors, musicians, and producers who turned out the pictures, and a nationwide chain of theaters where the pictures were exhibited. The studio was like an assembly line that was entrusted to keep a steady stream of pictures flowing to the theaters.

This system turned out many of the best pictures ever made. Each studio was like a big family. You belonged to Warner Brothers or MGM or Paramount and your associates and friends were mostly other performers and writers and directors from your studio. Sometimes we had family fights, but the system gave a solid stability to the picture business. You belonged someplace.

But that all changed after the war. An anti-trust suit was brought by a private chain of theaters and as a result the Justice Department issued a series of decrees declaring that the studios could either make pictures or operate theaters - they couldn’t do both.

This turned Hollywood inside out overnight. The studios chose to continue producing movies. But no longer could they afford stables of actors and other workers under contract because from now on, they had to make movies purely on the speculation theaters would want to show them.

Because of tax problems, many stars were willing to give up the security of a studio contract and a weekly salary. I was one of them. I was in the ninety-four percent bracket, which meant the government took most of what I earned. I’d always thought there was something inherently unfair toward actors in the tax system. I’d seen careers take off like a comet, shine brightly, then burn out almost overnight, but during their brief period of stardom, taxes would have eaten up most of their income and they’d have little left afterward.

Nevertheless, I believe the government’s decision to break up the studio system was wrong. It destroyed the stability of the industry under the justification that the studios monopolized the picture business. But they didn’t have a monopoly; there was intense competition that worked well for everybody. You had seven companies who were always competing with each other to turn out a better movie than the guy down the street, and if people didn’t like a picture, they’d show it by voting with their feet.

Owning the theaters provided a guarantee to the studios that if they guessed wrong on a movie and made it, at least they’d get some of their money back by playing it at their own theaters. This allowed them to take risks on people and stories.

It allowed the public to create real stars - legendary stars with staying power like Clark Gable, Olivia de Havilland, Gary Cooper, Jimmy Stewart, and a lot more.

A star like Judy Garland or Mickey Rooney wasn’t born a great star. When a studio spotted people they thought had talent and promise - for instance, a pretty girl in a college play - they’d sign them up for a small salary and send them to classes where they were taught to act and sing and dance. Then they tried to nurture them, bring them up.

The studios knew they didn’t make stars, the public did. But they could tailor movies to showcase an actor’s particular talents, allow their talents to develop, and give them the backing of wonderful character actors and actresses who would never become stars. In those days, the great stars were built up over time and their names and faces became as familiar to people as their next of kin. The studio publicity machine saw to that. Every performer had a publicity agent whose responsibility it was to see that you were in the trade papers, the gossip columns, and the movie magazines: It built an image of you. That’s what sold tickets.

Black Swan and True Grit are two recent movies that are quite good.

Not long ago, we had the sweden Let the Right One In, the best vampyre movie i’ve ever seen by far.

There are always gems being made, one just needs to pay attention.

what is the cutoff date?

Some recent ones I loved:

Shutter Island, Fantastic Mr. Fox, Kick Ass, A Serious Man, Dark Knight, Iron Man 2.

Maybe it is hipster of me, I like whatever Wes Anderson or Coen Brothers do. Aronofsky and Christopher Nolan also are great. I think there are many smart directors: scorcesy, david lynch, sofia coppola, tarantino, etc. There are some like Spike Jonze (and Spike Lee for that matter) who are smart, but their movies are a bit on the boring side.

And who could forget Michael Bay? j/k.

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Anybody catch the AMC series called “Rubicon” last year? The first seven episodes felt like the longest pilot ever, but it really improved for the final three.

That’s quite an investment.

I’d had the whole season downloaded and kept it until I had nothing left to watch. My perseverance paid off. Come on, the show’s about the CIA and spooky front groups and corporate elitist meddling for heaven’s sake. Somebody else must’ve seen it!

(Note: Naturally, it was cancelled after this first season: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubicon_(TV_series) )

How could you not like the Kansas City Shuffle?

Hollywood was always full of crap. Maybe old people like that old crap because it represented the lousy American values that they still cling to. Anyway, it takes intelligence to execute a good idea well. You can have a great plot idea and still flop. Anyone can write ye olde story. To make it these days you have to do something that hasn’t been done and envision it clearly enough to get the execution right. I’d like to see the people that complain have a go.

@Eric080

I’ve always thought that Clint Eastwood was a bit underrated as a director.

I do like Eastwood.

Paul Thomas Anderson

Half of There Will Be Blood was good, then it went off the rails. The end was totally arbitrary and pointless.

True Grit

That was pretty good, one of Bridges’ better movies.

@Anarcho-libertarian

That story doesn’t explain why the 60s and 70s showed a great resurgence in American film making, or the sharp decline in the 80s.

@John Ess

Shutter Island, Fantastic Mr. Fox, Kick Ass, A Serious Man, Dark Knight, Iron Man 2.

I hated Kick Ass. I thought Dark Knight and Iron Man 2 were fun, but confused with a lot of predictible blah-blah Hollywood stuff. The plot-line and flow of Iron Man 2 was particularly atrocious.

@Caley

I’d like to see the people that complain have a go.

That’s just the artist’s cop out for producing crap. I don’t have to know how to make a handgun to know when one is a POS.

You have to know how to make a handgun to have realistic expectations of handguns.

That has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.

It doesn’t come near the top of the list for me, but that is pretty absurd.

That story doesn’t explain why the 60s and 70s showed a great resurgence in American film making, or the sharp decline in the 80s.

I tend to associate the 80’s with good sci-fi/ special fx, good animation, and still capabale of telling stories. Oh, and it may have been the last decade of comedy being relevant. My instincts tell me there is a dramatic cut off somewhere in the mid to late 90’s where there may be a decline.

I actually think Hollywood has gotten too serious, but only in the sense that it punches above its weight class by doing serious subjects it does not understand.

I was very pleased with last year’s The Social Network and Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. Ricky if you want to piss me off, please attack those movies.

Student, if it was anybody else I wouldn’t bother posting a link to MR, but here’s Alex Tabarrok’s take on your question: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/10/why-tv-is-replacing-movies-as-elite-entertainment.html

I’m not sure movies this year have been that bad, people just like to complain. Black Swan and Inception were two fantastic movies, the fact that neither of them won best film is an absolute joke. Other good movies that I can think of this year were The Fighter (even if Mark Walberg is a joke), True Grit and 127 Hours.

But maybe, I’m just not quite as sophisticated as the OP. For what it’s worth I think Nolan generally produces great films (Insomnia wasn’t great, Memento is one of my favourite films of all time), as does Scorsese (minus Shutter Island) as do the Coen brothers.

EDIT: The Social Network is one of the most overrated films ever and have any Brazillians here seen Tropa de Elite 2? Loved the first, not found the second with decent subtitles yet.

I’m not sure movies this year have been that bad, people just like to complain. Black Swan and Inception were two fantastic movies, the fact that neither of them won best film is an absolute joke. Other good movies that I can think of this year were The Fighter (even if Mark Walberg is a joke), True Grit and 127 Hours.

I don’t think anyone is saying that it is all crap, just that there has been a general decline in Hollywood movies (for the record I thought Black Swan was awesome, and True Grit looks great but I haven’t seen it yet).

I think A good way to look at it is to compare a mega blockbuster like Star Wars to a mega blockbuster like Star Wars ep I, or Terminator vs that new Terminator movie. The really big budget stuff is not the same anymore. And it is a well known joke as to what is meant by an “Oscar Bait” movie.

I just watched Middle Men. It got a teensy bit slow in a couple spots but otherwise was a damn good story, kind of like Godfather meets Casino meets Internet porn.

Clayton -

EIT,

Nice MR link :slight_smile: I think AT offers a interesting argument wrt why the quality of tv programming has improved over time. i don’t think his argument is as strong on movies. specifically, he says they have become more reliant on reaching large audiences but doesn’t say why.

Mark Harris has a pretty interesting take–blame top gun

http://www.gq.com/entertainment/movies-and-tv/201102/the-day-the-movies-died-mark-harris?printable=true&currentPage=1