Your opinion about the Hiroshima And Nagasaki bombings

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So for me the question that must be answered is how much truth there is in that, because that is which is occupying my mind right now, other questions I have answered to myself before.

Understandable. The report made by Walter Trohan in the Chicago Tribune on August 19, 1945, exposing the secret surrender terns presented to Roosevelt will make for a compelling case, I believe. You can find it here:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p508_Hoffman.html

lodatzor

The institute for historical review !?!?!

I persued this hate speech for less than a minute to identify it as a anti-zionist, jew hating organ.

for example, one of the books they are promoting claims the holocaust was a lie.

and I thought the anarchists who cited wikipedia were misled!

http://www.ihr.org/main/leaflets.shtml

I have a question for the anarchists ----- Are you going to denounce the cite that lodatzor posted?

more to the point, do the anarchists believe that the holocaust was a lie or a fabrication???

are anarchist now anti-jewish !

hypothetically if the anarchists gained power (hypothetical because it has never happened and will never happen) what is the “solution” to religion. For example, faith is a powerful current in human history. How does the free market deal with the overwhelming multitude of human beings who place faith and the afterlife over the markets?

In summary, the deeper I delve into this anarchism the more it resembles the worse of religious or ideological extremism.

thank God for the US Constitution and limited government — and I’m not a Christian or a Jew, however I am grateful that I live in a God fearing nation, otherwise reckless ideologues like anarchists and secular humanists and their hellish ideologies would hold sway to the detriment of us all.

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I am not self-hating. Thanks for asking.

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are islamic extremists “automatons” ?

I say they are.

note that they cannot be swayed by fact, logic, and empiricism.

simarily, I offered that an ideologue who rejects ALL government out of hand before listening to any argument is an automaton.

for example, the laws of mathmatics are irrefutable. However, when dealing with human beings and all their complexity and uncertainty nothing is irrefutable ---- yet inexplicably the anarchist will not moderate their position on government one inch.

this is irrational.

there must exist a forum in which rigid inflexible thinking is challenged.

It is amusing that the anarchist are advocating censorship. This is hilarious.

I think snowflake and/or olovetto wanted me banned from the forum.

that would certainly be a feather in my cap, being banned from an anarchist forum.

grand hypocrisy!!!

i guess the anarchist needs central governance despotic overseer for their precious forum for the heinous act of calling the pot black.

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Good for you. Did you also read the part where the full, unedited column from August 19, 1945’s edition of the Chicago Tribune backs them up entirely?

If you’re not interested in facts, then I suggest that your continued posting is futile. I couldn’t care less what axe you have to grind against anarchists, but if you’re going to just pretend that historical events did not happen because they make your argument look weak, then I and everyone else are just going to laugh at you.

Is that what you want?

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If you don’t understand why there is no hypocrisy in moderating a private forum then perhaps you don’t really understand much of anarchy.

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It’s their forum bro, they can ban whomever they want.

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one last thought.

under an anarchist system. slavery, torture, infanticide, et al cannot be checked by government.

does the anarchist support the institution of slavery. For example, can a parent sell their children into slavery?

and if not, in the absence of government, who will prevent this atrocity?

moreover, if mentally challenged citizens are coerced into signing contracts of indentured servitude for some vile human possessing wealth, is this desirable in your anarchist society?

note that the anarchist argument is hollow since it discounts the inherent “self-evident truths” that human being have against these abominations.

for example, the anarchist hates government, less than the faithful hate slavery, abortion, et al human depravities.

thats why there are no anarchist societies, the ideology is anathema to the human psyche.

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How are they different from the murderers working for the american military or the military of other countries?

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your argumentum ad ignorantiam only reflect your ignorance and not any defects in the anarchist world-view.

perhaps you mean to ask how justice services would be provided under anarchy? if so you would be directed to
the appropriate literature, For a New Liberty, The Market for Liberty, etc. etc.

perhaps.

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simple question.

if there was little difference between unconditional surrender and what the japanese offered to FDR, THEN…

why didnt the japanese just accept unconditional surrender and be done with the war ???

why is it that the USA is the “bad guy” ??

didnt the japanese have the ability to end the war unilaterally to save their own citizens?

why was it America’s responsibility to save enemy combatants?

why was the onus always on the USA with you America haters ??

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your argumentum ad ignorantiam only reflect your ignorance and not any defects in the anarchist world-view.

perhaps you mean to ask how justice services would be provided under anarchy? if so you would be directed to
the appropriate literature, For a New Liberty, The Market for Liberty, etc. etc.

perhaps.---- nirgraham

how about you anarchists argue the point yourself versus always citing some lengthy “why is there air?” diatribe from some obscure anti-zionist, anti-American leftist or anarchist

however, i will read your citation. at least it isnt from a source that a five year old can edit.

oops, I stand corrected your source is from a cite that can be edited by a five year old. I will peruse it nonetheless.

I little Latin never hurt anyone.

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how about you anarchists argue the point yourself versus always citing some lengthy “why is there air?” diatribe from some obscure anti-zionist, anti-American leftist or anarchist

however, i will read your citation. at least it isnt from a source that a five year old can edit.

oops, I stand corrected your source is from a cite that can be edited by a five year old. I will peruse it nonetheless.

I little Latin never hurt anyone.

Please post in more threads than just this one.

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I little Latin never hurt anyone.

not even the occasional ‘barbarian’?

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Because they wanted some sort of promise stating that their divine Emperor would not be executed. Now to you: why was non-committal on this matter worth prolonging the war on the Allies’ side?

Because the USA dropped two atomic bombs. Oh, and because FDR manipulated events to instigate Pearl Harbor.

They did, after the bombings. No-one is saying that the bombs didn’t work, only that they were unnecessary and horrific.

Who and what are you responding to? This is a straw-man.

Because, in the matter of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the USA was the villain. It’s not about taking sides, it’s about historical analysis. You’re seeking to imply that we’re all ‘apologists’ for Japan in much the same way as some call people ‘apologists’ for the government, or ‘apologists’ for capitalism, or ‘apologists’ for the Martians.

It’s history, not a philosophical debate.

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lodatzor,

I am eagerly awaiting your response as to why the japanese didnt accept unconditional surrender from the USA if the terms they offered to FDR were “nearly the same” as stated in the post you cited from the chicago tribune.

you see your arguments are easily debunked since what the japanese wanted prior to the bombing in nagasaki was drastically different than unconditional surrender – otherwise they would have surrendered long before the atom bombs were dropped.

unconditional surrender is what the AMerican people demanded, it was what a lasting peace demanded, and it was NOT what japan lobbied for prior to submitting to unconditional surrender.

moreover, If you want to engage in “dueling sources” I could best you 10-1 on this issue. moreover, as I posted earlier, anything less than unconditional surrender was politically impossible. 85% of AMericans wanted unconditional surrender including war trial for the emperor, irrespective of what macarthur (who one of your anarchist friends referred to as a “maniac”) or some leftist historian dug up in an obscure article from the Chitown tribune.

do anarchists function in a political vacuum?

and when did anarchists become so concilitory to brutal despotic regimes?

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Brutal despotic regimes are a parasitic class set upon their civilian population. When meeting out fiery death to the evil parasites it might be worth giving babies and grandma’s and school girls, and professors of art history a free pass.

no ?

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I already responded. Feel free to edit your post to accomodate this knowledge.

Already disproved.

See above. Oh, and just because the American people want something, does not make it right. Hitler could have formed a similar argument.

And I have a bigger penis than you. Provide proof, sir, not claims.

Oh, and if it will soothe your heart, know that I am not an anarchist. One does not have to be one to see why the atomic bombings were contemptible.

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Rett - You and I had a discussion on pages 4 and 5 of this ever expanding thread. I did not see where you answered my question about how the establishment of worldwide American hegemony, ie, the elimination of dictators, would be paid for.

A simple, straight forward, specific question: How do you propose to pay for the establishment of American hegemony to achieve world peace? Methods of payment (that I am aware of at least) are 1) taxes, 2) borrowing, 3) printing money.

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Everyone has cancer. Everyone with really bad cancer was made a little better by people with cancer. Therefore, cancer is superior to good health.

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I did not see where you answered my question

Typical faith-based jihadist expecting an answer from A higher-order Rettopper