Thank you for making my point, your arrogance achieves nothing. Your goal is obviously to create enemies of freedom. Which isn’ t me by the way, I am more interested in the practical application of freedom than you will ever dream about.
How is the the liberty scam, sorry! the liberty ‘colony’ doing Max ?
The socialist will use a strawman argument to attack free markets. You are using one to defend it. Myths don’t require a defense, but exposure and refutation.
If you believe they are not myths, you should have been able to address my remarks instead of just reiterating the same position over and over again.
Maxliberty sounds confused.
I save money. I have gardens. I am cutting wood now for winter. I am making repairs on the wood burner now actually. And much much more… all for the future. I think you only think short term and are short-sighted. I think YOU are generalizing what other people do. It’s called projecting. Now anything else you would like to share?
He is confused. He thinks I read and care about what he writes.
Ive been banned before “liberty” student. I can handle it.
But thanks for further proving that u are one of the few on here who can take criticism, and a true practitioner of liberty.
If you think the people who use government to exploit people won’t do the same in the free market you are just an ideologue. I can agree with those who say they won’t last long. But I would have to say to them that they must remember that these are real people’s lives that will be battered in the process.
I’m more of a Corporate Avenger freedomist; no borders or forced education, end the drug war, make governance no more expensive then need be, reduce or diminish the effect of the money power in politics. Yet I still believe that a strong defensive force, contract enforcement, equality under the law, encouraging ownership, and a social safety net are critical to the functioning of a strong society. And if we must have taxes I prefer either progressive policy, or a flat tax on only the top 20% of incomes.
Im asking you to recognize that I come to find how we can work together for a better tomorrow. If we could get past our petty biases we could go to progs providing vision and hope, and libs (you according to the real definition of eco lib) providing guidance and frugality. Just because we disagree doesn’t mean we don’t all have a role to play.
that thanks was to max liberty. He is correct when he says that it seems to us progs that u coddle the “innocent” businessman.
You support taxation, positive societal obligations and the institution of sword and fire. By chance where is this ‘better tomorrow’ among these platforms? How do you legitimize the robbery of individuals, the coercion of their actions and an institution which from the dawn of man has periodically slaughtered its own citizenry or at the very least hamper onto them a lifestyle of pseudo-slavery? Honestly, what do you offer other then platitudes and a despotic lifestyle we already live under? You frolic around these forums like a caped ‘crusader’ passing on the title of ‘true practioner of liberty’ yet try to rationalize the institution of government as somehow just. If that be your ‘liberty’ then I pity those who earn your title.
I hope you haven’t been banned here before, because ban dodging is an automatic re-ban. Now you have an incentive to definitely not send me scurrying to cross reference accounts. Btw, I already banned the second Hermes account you registered when you created this one.
That is a strawman.
Basically for small tyranny. No thanks. Not interested in picking new masters with the same democratic tripe supposedly securing freedom while undermining everything.
Why are you here? You’re clearly not a minarchist. You’re not an anarchist. You don’t seem to be an austrian, or have any knowledge about economics. You definitely seem to support the state, in fact, reading between the lines, you support basically what already exists.
I can only speak for myself, but I think a good many here may agree. I don’t want your society and I don’t recognize it. I want freedom. Nothing less will do. So I don’t care about your taxes, social safety nets, or military. They are meaningless to me. The only way you can get me to participate, is to enslave me under the threat of force, like a rapist with a knife to the throat of his victim.
You call it dating, but it’s still rape.
So if you can live with perpetuating theft and violence, if you can reconcile your ideal world with such immoralities, then good for you. But I don’t think such an ideology has a home here. Maybe somewhere else, where the focus is not on laissez-faire, free markets, and the scholarship of liberty.
Are we like hardwired together by logic? [:P]
The difference there is no defense against those in government, they are the courts…
That would be the responsibility of those “real” people, I am ready to survive, quite well, this is what I like to call being prepared, are there other things I would like to do, sure, but I will eat, drink, have shelter and goods to trade. This is the difference between a responsible person and one that is not responsible, those that are not will usually fail, and making it a burden on those that are responsible is morally wrong.
- Strong Defensive Force is unnecessary if we mind our own business
- Contract Enforcement from the very organization that nullifies contracts at will
- Equality Under the Law from the very organization that created equality legislation (Oxymoron)
- Encouraging Ownership from the organization that owns you
- Social Safety Net or bluntly robbing the “rich” which usually becomes anyone with a job
Why? The other 80% never earned it…
The fundamental difference is I veiw a better tomorrow as one where people who believe in social responsibility do not rob people who believe in personal responsibility by way of government, and unfortunately that is wholly inconsistent with your view of a better tomorrow.
I would like you to go to them and explain they have no right to my property, that is my vision, and that they should shut up and let people live their lives as they see fit, that is my hope…
I think the guys here do a good job by explaining the system you support is immoral, and they should not enable it…
Your role, it is to be wrong…
Is Harry Felker becoming an…anarchist? [:S]
No, as you can see you speak for me too…
I must have been channeling you, I almost went with the rape analogy…
I have many to blame for my change in opinion…
I blame Liberty_Student. He hangs out with girls whose skirts don’t go past their knees. Plus I hear he spits on sidewalks. A troublemaker indeed.
Sounds like a strawman…
All of which the government fails at.
I hang out with a girl that thinks clothing laws are a rights violation…
What does that make me…
My Fiance started the ball rolling, she got me here, then the community challenged my minarchism, the final straw was the Sage thread, Laughing Man referred to it so I read the material…
I encourage you to stop your logical research for a few days while you learn of the scientific process. Then maybe you will understand why none of the scholarly community take you seriously. Logic is good, unless its all you do, then you can explain ANYTHING logically.
And those things I listed will have to be provided regardless of the structure of the state. Read history and learn that those are the fundamentals of a strong and growing civilization. If they are weakened, either by governance itself, or by other private parties, so will we see a weakening of our society.
Last thing I would have to say is; you catch more flies with honey. I am desperately trying to find something I can agree with you on, or that will change my mind to your perspective. Reading Mises is fun, cool, and informative. He is spot on in much of his analysis. But then I look at the majority of his supporters and… ugh; I see a community lacking in empathy for those who may have never learned a way to be responsible and productive.
I just dont see how you can fundamentally oppose government yet fail to place blame at the feet of the owners of our government. You blame the politicians themselves? Do you not realize they serve a higher master?