ha ha!
and another ridiculous strawman. the thing about you is that your ‘empathy’ for those less well off amounts to outright positive acts of evil against the ‘better off’ (taxation) and outright ‘negative’ acts of evil against those who you are supposedly empathising with (destruction of capitalism and so retarding their future prospects plus welfare trap etc etc.)
Since you have declared me your mortal enemy, I am sure you hang on my every word.
I know; "its a private forum where we dont appreciate criticism." I just appreciate your support of freedom, yet I question your motives and fanatacism. Forgive me for being a realist in saying that we will never rid ourselves of government. T’would be better served finding a way to reconcile this “necessary evil.”
Just a funny side note, Id like to hear your thoughts. The game world of warcraft has a marketplace with no taxes, social programs, and the like. It really has no rules to speak of. Yet there are ninjas all over the place waiting to steal your goods, and they get away with it (Blizzard doesnt ban for doing). Sure, most know not to trust JrDevious (one of the biggest ninjas), so he just groups with new people who dont know who he is, and proceeds to steal whatever he can before he is caught. This is the problem we would face in a libertarian society.
Give ideas so reason can play with them otherwise you’re as any other person that thinks they are right and everybody is wrong. The lecturer closing the world around himself. If you can’t put your opinion into something that any intellect can grasp I think you’re merely shouting or crying or both or something else, but you’re definitely not providing any thought. So this post is to inspire your reasoning to flourish cause I’m not seein’ it happen yet.
Lazy opinion, and I mean “lazy” in that this speaks of your effort in trying to bring justice to what is evil.
lol… Well if ninjas are around and allowed to steal, then there is no justice and liberty is completely about justice and law. Figure out stealing is wrong and you’re getting somewhere.
No. That’s the problem of a ah… video game called Warcraft…lol And since you know of this JrDevious why aren’t you stopping him? Where’s your justice now?
You’re unimportant to me.
Am I the higher master? As a master, I would like to relieve these government servants of their duty. Can you assure me that if I do, they won’t show up at my doorstep with guns?
Are you talking about the military ?
I am laughing man…[;)]
Which one was it? Lysander Spooner’s No Treason?
No, im with Washington in seeing a standing army as an offensive force. Or at least a large standing army. I like the idea of the national guard and the reserves as our federal defensive force. Or maybe a nationwide militia styled after the structure of a volunteer fire dept. But in no way do I support allowing generals to privatize their armies; Ive seen what that did to Rome.
Ha! I doubt you have the kind of influence to be a personal master of our political environment. You can have influence if part of the mob (people not gangsters). But it is the wealthy elite that I speak of. I know it’s a sin to attack our “most productive citizens,” (who most just happened to be the descendant/ancestor of someone productive. Im not as suspicious of the Bill Gates new money as I am of the Rockefeller old money) but they are our true leaders. And i see no talk on this site of the influence they have or the detrimental action they employ.
Ever wonder why “socialists” think you are just justifying your greed and callousness towards the poor? It is becuase you always defend the rich. Or call welfare recipients thieves and leeches. Thats like defending the preppy in school against the nerd, or helping an able-body beat up a cripple, it just doesnt seem right.
Ive not stolen anything since I was a child, and even then it was just candy and shit like that from stores (which i have attoned for and would not encourage). Yes, I understand stealing to be a very bad action to take. (But, in Robin Hood cases; I don’t really consider it stealing if you had a right to it in the first place. And food, education, and necessary healthcare are rights [life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, governments are instituted among men to secure these rights, deriving their just power from the consent of the governed]).
And I do what I can to stop Jr. When I see him posting invites I call him out as a ninja. I tell people not to trust him. Any farther than that, there is nothing I can do.
Blizzard’s policy is that it is your fault for allowing him into your group/guild in the first place. you should have prepared yourself.
we defend the innoccent rich, and condemn the guilty rich. are you capable of making distinctions?
there are welfare recipients that are thieves and leeches and there are those that are not. but statists, socialists, and those that advocate and administer welfare are criminal and disingenous.
Do you think that the subjects of western governments ‘consent’ ?
‘Go to A_____ B_____, and say to him that “the government” has need of money to meet the expenses of protecting him and his property. If he presumes to say that he has never contracted with us to protect him, and that he wants none of our protection, say to him that that is our business, and not his; that we CHOOSE to protect him, whether he desires us to do so or not; and that we demand pay, too, for protecting him. If he dares to inquire who the individuals are, who have thus taken upon themselves the title of “the government,” and who assume to protect him, and demand payment of him, without his having ever made any contract with them, say to him that that, too, is our business, and not his; that we do not CHOOSE to make ourselves INDIVIDUALLY known to him; that we have secretly (by secret ballot) appointed you our agent to give him notice of our demands, and, if he complies with them, to give him, in our name, a receipt that will protect him against any similar demand for the present year. If he refuses to comply, seize and sell enough of his property to pay not only our demands, but all your own expenses and trouble beside. If he resists the seizure of his property, call upon the bystanders to help you (doubtless some of them will prove to be members of our band.) If, in defending his property, he should kill any of our band who are assisting you, capture him at all hazards; charge him (in one of our courts) with murder; convict him, and hang him. If he should call upon his neighbors, or any others who, like him, may be disposed to resist our demands, and they should come in large numbers to his assistance, cry out that they are all rebels and traitors; that “our country” is in danger; call upon the commander of our hired murderers; tell him to quell the rebellion and “save the country,” cost what it may. Tell him to kill all who resist, though they should be hundreds of thousands; and thus strike terror into all others similarly disposed. See that the work of murder is thoroughly done; that we may have no further trouble of this kind hereafter. When these traitors shall have thus been taught our strength and our determination, they will be good loyal citizens for many years, and pay their taxes without a why or a wherefore.’
It think Lysander Spooner truly points out the mentality of the State.
When people say that the FED is private, they mean that the money created by that institution ultimately pays for some billionaire’s yacht instead of “vital public services”. The difference between public-sector and private-sector institutions is largely a false dichotomy fueled by the belief in patriotic government bureaucrats versus greedy capitalist pigs.
Point out that even if the dollar was “public-sector”, and every dollar printed went into the U.S. Treasury to be spent by elected representatives, it would still pay for somebody’s yacht. Congress does not represent the public interest; it represents whoever writes the biggest checks.
Rather than attempting to distinguish between public and private monies, we should instead distinguish between voluntary and involuntary monies. Only then are we making progress in economic policy.
Obviously an abortion could have saved the world another one of these…
Why is it that you have the right to my money for your happiness? You can pursue happiness all your life, but the fact is, attaining it at the expense of others is still morally wrong…
By the way the reality is Robin Hood was taking back what the rich had stolen, and returned it to its rightful owner, the rich had stolen it IRONICALLY, through taxation…
Socialism and serfdom have much in common, not only do they start with “S”
In other words, crony capitalists (not free-market capitalists).
It is the government that enables them to operate in the manner you describe. I know you don’t believe this, but check out some of Tom Woods’ lectures (A Libertarian Gallop through American History, Monetary Lessons from America’s Past, etc.) and see if they don’t change your mind.
I think the reason people here don’t discuss Rockefeller, et al. very much is that they are the leeches, the hangers-on, that are the symptom having a large state (or any state). It seems more efficient to attack the source. I do agree, however, that they are full partners in the system and have every incentive to perpetuate it with their financial support. Central banks perpetuate the state, and the state perpetuates central banks.
I agree that free-market proponents often allow themselves to be painted this way. They are so used to audiences understanding that socialism is one of the best ways to screw the poor, that they forget that the everyday person is nowhere near that level of economic understanding.
One needn’t water down the principles of freedom in order to emphasize how freedom enriches the every person and neuters the present establishment crony capitalists and all the other elite who use the government as a weapon to stay in power and get richer.
If anyone on this site actually says this, it’s not a very efficient strategy, and not even correct in general. It’s actually institutionalized theft by the state and then encouraging people to leech off the system.
Your mother was doing the best she could, and I would never hold it against her for taking advantage of the system - somebody’s going to get that money (already stolen from the taxpayers), and it might as well be someone like her who would use it to benefit herself and society rather than squandering it.
But that does not make it a good system.
Still, the poor are being stolen from already (if not by taxes on them, then by property taxes, sales taxes, and taxes on those who produce the goods they need, forcing higher prices, among a long list of detrimental state policies), so it seems odd to call some of them leeches (even if, technically, they are) for trying to get some of the money back from the same system that impoverished them. Blame the system, not those who try to take advantage of it.
Um, Hermes? That’s Anarchism you’re thinking about, not Libertarianism.
False.