A new country, a new flag. Say hello to the United Socialist States of America.

What? No picture of Obama on it?

“Federal and state programs now cover half the cost of health care purchased in the country and were expected to go over 50 percent in the next year or two even absent Obama’s plan.” - Calvin Woodward

It’s been a socialist country long before Obama turned up…

I agree, it’s been socialist long before Obama arrived. It just more readily and explicitly apparent.

If anything, that’s a good thing.

Still we really shoudl come up with a clever catch phrase with a new fitting flag.

America the land of the free, just simply isn’t fitting any more.

the means of production are not socialized - owned by the workers. america is not a socialist country.

Guild socialism is just one kind of socialism. Socialism isn’t defined as worker-ownership of the means of production; it’s government ownership of the means of production.

Well the car companies, insurance companies, and banks are owned by the representatives of the electors of the USA, so that’s as good as socialism for me.

the word socialism means socialized- socialized property. in the cases you mentioned these things are socialized. technically speaking, all types of gov’t means socialism- since the people’s property is under the soveirnty of the gov’t and not absolute.

America the land of the free lunch?

Sounds like you get it - all types of government means socialism.

I like this!

Indeed!

https://forum.freecapitalists.org/t/genuine-socialism-and-socialized-services-a-semantics-argument-long-post/10029

America, land of the free, home of the brave.

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America, land of the free lunch, home of the slave.