Anyone else watching these guys self-implode in the Hot Topics section? It’s kind of funny but kind of pitiful.
Could you summarize the self-implosion?
Ron vs Rand
Kokesh vs Hunter
You are betraying the liberty movement!
No you are!
It reminds me of why I left internet forums not to long ago. So much drama it is ridiculous. People need to relax and get a hobby. I play tennis now. I recommend it to anyone, it’s a lot of fun.
I thought arguing on forums was their hobby.
I thought arguing on forums was their hobby.
yeeeah…that is what I said.
“yeeeah…that is what I said.”
Dude I am trying to remember how to post youtube videos on this forum. I forgot.
That place stopped being ‘worthy’ quite a long time ago. Many have matured intellectually.. everyone but the ‘power structure’ there.
Anyway, dropped back in briefly and someone had proposed Rand Paul’s section be removed from the forum. I proposed it be put to a vote.
In that thread I posted three images of Rand Paul being a sellout.. (which I think I got from these forums actually). I then went on to attack the “sellout sympathisers” arguments. Re: “Ron Paul delegates sold out to vote for McCain in '08 RNC to get in favor with GOP… look how that ended up.”
I was quite literally told to “go f$(% myself”. Liberty Eagle, moderator, and apparently 30 years in the movement but someone who hasn’t ventured past the John Birch Society view of the world (terribly sad), seconded this.. low & behold.. same old, same old.
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. Really not a loss, just disappointed I can’t defend Rothbard against the bs that is Jack Hunters (Southern Avenger) article. Meh. A lot of supporters have come over to the ancap side there… what the mods do now though [have for a long time] is graveyard everything into the “Political Philosophy” section (anything remotely ancap). Go check out some threads there.. .
Please convince me of statism!### Ron Paul & voluntarists### State or Private Law Society? [Ron Paul endorsed author]
This is what happens when you have an organization that seeks power in order to weld it instead of an organization that seeks to abolish it. You have these personality wars and cult followings. Who is the best to run what. That is why I like the LvMi. No discussion over who should be the President or VP. No discussion about who should be the marketer for a more humane style of government. It is just “tear it all down.”
The same thing is going on over at the DailyPaul.
A few are flooding the place and claiming that anarchists are the traitors, and one guy said Adam Kokesh is an FBI infiltrator sent to destroy the movement.
It’s a mad house!
I think it’s more likely that the few flooders are the infiltrators, but that’s just me.
I’ve never liked Jack Hunter. His voice is annoying, he is condescending at times (which is ironic for him), and his principles are based around politics.
I’ll let Rand and the “insider-outsiders” do their thing, but I’m not going to hold my breath. We should not polarize our own movement based on this. This seems analogous to consubstantiation versus transubstantiation.
If we need an actual revolution Kokesh will be a leader. Jack will suck his thumb and vote.
I’m sticking with my thesis that Ron Paul (and/or Tate and Benton) was told that the delegates will be arrested if they tried anything at the convention since if Romney supportes started a fight, it would be blamed on Paul. This is what pushed them onto the “Let’s Make a Deal” set. |Career (Benton/Rand), money (Tate), reputation/legacy (Ron)|.
What’s ironic is that this is exactly what an enemy of liberty would dream of.
It’s seeming like Olson’s goal is getting achieved…whether according to his plan or not.
“The same thing is going on over at the DailyPaul. A few are flooding the place and claiming that anarchists are the traitors, and one guy said Adam Kokesh is an FBI infiltrator sent to destroy the movement.It’s a mad house!”
Hahah. Anarchists are traitors? What did they force Rand to endorse Romney creating all this drama? I swear some of the delusions that these people concoct like that whole delegate strategy or the infiltration of Paul supporters as Romney delegates or the psychological analysis of Rand when he was giving his endorsement. The delusion that you can work within the system and reform government is slowly unraveling and it would be hilarious to watch if it was not so pitiful. There is a part of me that feels terrible for these people.
Congratulations Rand… Ron builds the movement, where all these differing sects/philosophies are able to join together under the one banner and concentrate predominately on the issues… and with one swift move Rand’s actions put it all up in the air [mostly hyperbole].
This in a crystal clear fashion goes on to verify Rothbard’s statements… about radicalism being the core issue, not “anarchism” vs. “minarchism”. Intellectual pygmies wouldn’t get that though. Ron is radical, thus principled.. and why he was able to do what he has done in regards to spreading the message of liberty via also building a movement.
Re: “Hahah. Anarchists are traitors? What did they force Rand to endorse Romney creating all this drama? I swear some of the delusions that these people concoct like that whole delegate strategy or the inflation of Paul supporters as Romney delegates or the psychological analysis of Rand when he was giving his endorsement. The delusion that you can work within the system and reform government is slowly unraveling and it would be hilarious to watch if it was not so pitiful. There is a part of me that feels terrible for these people.”
lol. I briefly went through the “miracle hope” phase back in '08… I learnt from that though. Expectations are near non-existent for such a thing, though I don’t knock others for trying. I’m wondering though, what the failure of the campaign will mean for some folks? Will it push more towards the philosophy side of things? Towards private law… voluntarism..?
“lol. I briefly went through the “miracle hope” phase back in '08… I learnt from that though. Expectations are near non-existent for such a thing, though I don’t knock others for trying. I’m wondering though, what the failure of the campaign will mean for some folks? Will it push more towards the philosophy side of things? Towards private law… voluntarism..?”
I am poking at them a little but I’m not being, at least I hope, vicious about it. If it were 08 I would be on there too, waving my Ron Paul shirt. However, I read Lysander Spooner and got over the idea of reform because of it. I hope that people do flock beyond the political party realm. What they do is up to them. As I stated somewhere before, I’m just doing things that I love, waiting for it to all come crashing down. You have to be happy.
I am always fascinated when I discover personality wars like these events going on in the RP campaign. Honestly, I am usually slow to pick up on them in real life which sucks because I like learning juicy gossip.
“Little men and great causes go ill together” Jawaharlal Nehru
“Liberators do not exist: the people liberate themselves” Ernesto “Che” Guevara
One of them was a fully-blown statist, the other a wannabe tyrant but both were right on the money.