Best and Worst - President of the United States

At the major risk of taking this thread off track, I will give the concise answer.

  1. There was no need to obtain the unconditional surrender of Japan and in fact, Japan had been prepared to give a conditional surrender with the most modest face saving conditions possible. Their navy was destroyed and they were no longer a threat to the United States or anybody else.

  2. The force estimates for a land invasion of Japan have always been extremely overestimated as well as possible U.S. casualties.

  3. The United States deliberately steered Japan into the war to begin with.

  4. I refuse to accept that the undistinguished and unconditional extermination of the men, women and children of any city can every be justified at any time, for any reason. It is genocide, no matter what supposedly noble reason is attached to it.

How did Johnson kill Kennedy?

Well, Kennedy became a dove when the Cuban Missile Crisis almost ended human civilization. He became convinced that the U.S. needed to work out a peace and disarmament deal with the Soviet Union, and was communicating fruitfully with Soviet premier Nikita Kruschev on this matter. Check out JFK’s American University Speech, where JFK talks about the need for peace with the Soviet Union and a disarmament treaty only 5 months before his assassination.

At the same time, Kennedy became distrustful of the CIA and the military elite after the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and after the Joint Chiefs of Staff (the heads of the military) submitted an official proposal to him including suggestions to set off bombs in the U.S., killing civilians, to blame on Castro and thereby justify a war with Cuba in the public mind. This proposal was titled Operation Northwoods, and was vetoed by Kennedy.

Kennedy is on record as as asking '"How could I have been so stupid?" to trust the groups who were advising him, such as the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and that he would “splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds.”

Rather than be splintered and scattered, the CIA, or rather a faction of it, decided to have Kennedy shot, blaming it on a pro-Castro lone nut gunman, Lee Oswald. The people who actually killed Kennedy were most likely the members of Operation 40, a CIA squad of cold-war hardliners who were involved in attempts to kill Castro, and thus had the resources, training and motivation to carry out the assassination of a head of state, so that hard-line cold war policies would remain in place.

LBJ apparently was approached and went along with this plan, and, becoming President after JFK’s assasination, LBJ organized the Warren Commission to ‘investigate’ Kennedy’s death. The Warren Commission included the head of the CIA, Allen Dulles, future President Gerald Ford, and head of the World Bank, John J McCloy. Would you appoint a banker to investigate a murder?

Members of ‘Operation 40,’ like Barry Seal, later became involved in drug and arms running on behalf of right-wing CIA backed paramilitaries in South America. Others, like Frank Sturgis, were later arrested in the “Watergate burglaries.”

For further reading, you might want to check out the cases of William F. Pepper or research George H. W. Bush’s father’s attempt to overthrow the government of the United States in the so called 'business plot,’ and then in that light evaluate his son George’s later leadership of the CIA.

below; pictures of Frank Sturgis, Operation 40 member, Watergate burglar; in the middle one, Sturgis is dressed as a “tramp,” the outfit he was wearing when was arrested by Dallas police for being suspicious in the immediate aftermath of the Kennedy assassination:

The middle one is actually Gordon Ramsey.

Bill Hicks on JFK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Fl9ZVJ7B8

My Girlfriend and I have a joke about this very question. We claim that any president we can’t think of because during their presidency there must have been no wars or conflict in the country. So if the president is not mentioned in the history book he must’ve been one heck of a president.

Martin Van Buren maybe? :stuck_out_tongue:

The whole concept of Keynese economics making wars, genocides and all kinds of other major dissasters an economically good thing is in my oppinion a root cause for all these poor presidents making such terrible decissions… But I mean how long can this huge failure last? I don’t think we’re too far away from the getting back on the right track.

Richard A.

@ravochol: I understand Rothbard was something of a JFK assassination conspiracy buff. Did he ever say what he thought happened? What is it something along the lines of what you are proposing?

Also, what do you think of this video from Penn and Teller’s Bullshit? (only 47 seconds long):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzyw7AcHbuY

I hope I’m not irritating you with my questions. I’m interested in learning and you seem in teaching.

You are certainly confident in your knowledge of U.S. history. Are there any books/lecture series that you have found particularly insightful?

I always admired Ronald Reagan, but not his presidency. If it wasn’t for Papa Bush trying to kill Reagan, I think it would have been different.

Haha, I keep hearing all of these things about certain politicians trying to kill others. What do you mean by that with H.W.?

Like the flag. The center symbol is actually a Usui Reiki symbol (Sei He Ki) for mental/emotional healing. Part of it comes from Sanskrit and can be found on Mt. Kurama in Japan. It is used by Reiki practitioners to assist in healing addictions, heal/improve relationships, empower affirmations & memory, change/replace habits and allows for the release of old negative emotions and energy. It strengthens the affirmations on your personal Anarcho/Capitalist flag.

@beefheart

Haha, I keep hearing all of these things about certain politicians trying to kill others. What do you mean by that with H.W.?

John Hinckley Jr. (who attempted to assasinate Reagan) was the son of John Hinckley Sr. who was Papa Bush’s top financial campaign contributer during the primary of 1980. After all of the Hinckley Jr. gets off because of “insanity”. I don’t know why this isnt more widespread, it was no secret that Reagan and Bush HATED each other.

Like V says “…like G-d, do not play with dice and I don’t believe in coincidences.”

That’s really interesting. I’d heard that Reagan and Bush hated each other, but I had no idea about Bush-Hinckley connection. Thanks for that information! I don’t know why that isn’t more widespread either.

Worst President of All;
Woodrow Wilson:

Created the FED
Created Income TAX
Created Prohibition
Created a whole generation of Mobsters
Paved the way for the wars on Drugs

Brought the USA into WWI
Intervened in the Russian Civil War
Paved the way towards WWII
Paved the way for the Vietnam War (Yes folks, he denied Ho Chi Minh independence [Establishing Constitutional Democracy])

Created the League of Nation
Paved the way for the IMF
Paved the way for the atrocious United Nations

This is only scratching the surface of the permanent damage Wilson administered. Woodrow Wilson single handily destoyed this country. We are living in the Wilsonian error!

I wish I had your sense of history. The longer I read this forum, the more I realize that I really should have studied more history.