Capitalism Refuted?

Your youtube account is ample evidence.

1# Spanish anarchist = if you use money you shall be put to death.

“Furthermore, it is hard to forget the fact that when the Spanish Anarchists (anarcho-communists of the Bakunin-Kropotkin type) took over large sections of Spain during the Civil War of the 193Os, they confiscated and destroyed all the money in their areas and promptly decreed the death penalty for the use of money. None of this can give one confidence in the good, voluntarist intentions of anarcho-communism. On all other grounds, anarcho-communism ranges from mischievous to absurd.**” - The Death Wish of Anarcho-Communists by Murray Rothbard

2# Humans follow their self interest.

Under such a socialist mode of production all personal incentives which selfishness provides under capitalism are removed, and a premium is put upon laziness and negligence. Whereas in a capitalist society selfishness incites everyone to the utmost diligence, in a socialist society it makes for inertia and laxity. ~ Ludwig Von Mises, Human Action, p. 674

That everyone lives and wishes to live primarily for himself does not disturb social life but promotes it, for the higher fulfillment of the individual’s life is possible only in and through society. ~ Ludwig Von Mises, Socialism, p. 361

In social cooperation everyone in serving his own interests serves the interests of his fellow men. Driven by the urge to improve his own conditions, he improves the conditions of other people. The baker does not hurt those for whom he bakes bread; he serves them. ~ Ludwig Von Mises, The Ultimate Foundation of Economic Science, p. 88

Meh couldn’t be bothered going on addressing the strawmen.

SYNDICALISM

The syndicalistically organized state would be no socialist state but a state of worker capitalism, since the individual worker groups would be owners of the capital would make all repatterning of production impossible; it leaves no room free for economic progress. In its entire intellectual
character it suits the age of peasants and craftsmen, in which economic relations are rather stationary. ~ Ludwig Von Mises, Nation, State, and Economy, p. 199

It is not unfair to call syndicalism the economic philosophy of short-sighted people, of those adamant conservatives who look askance upon any innovation and are so blinded by envy that they call down curses upon those who provide them with more, better, and cheaper products. They are like patients who grudge the doctor his success in curing them of a malady. ~ Ludwig Von Mises, Human Action, p. 810

You have a private message.

Yes, comrade. It seems like a blatant trolling attempt to me, but I guess we’ll let this one run and see what the result is.

Well he’s blatantly wrong, but I would rather use his own arguments to prove that, and have a record of his refutation, than further the view that we are cowards who ban and yell at everyone who disagrees with us.

We never said that.

We never said that people act only according with the profit motive.

Again, never said that.

The fact is that most people don’t want bosses. Another fact is that in capitalism you can be your own boss.

I have to say that this point is right.

Yes.

Political freedoms go hand in hand with economic freedoms.

It’s justified because of the lack of capitalism.

Nothing.

They can control the workplace if they want. All the people control the consumer system.

They are the ones which make better use of the money.

This question is dumb.

That’s the difference between possession and property.

Define just.

They are rewarded because of anticipating consumer’s needs.

Interest and profit exist because of anticipating consumer’s needs.

The same as before.

As free as you can get. You are an anti-capitalist and can post on LvMI and upload videos on YouTube.

Public property leads to problems.

Well, I believe that you’re not being hypocritial while enjoying some of its benefits, because you were born in this particular period of history. Following that logic, no one should be able to criticize any current system.

Yeah, because we all so love beating our heads against a wall.

I, for one, do not. If you want a bloody, bruised head from beating it against a wall, maybe you should engage him on youtube.

Disagreement is fine; trolling is not.

No one is asking you to. All you have to do is show the slightest self-control, and avoid conversations with people you disagree with, and annoy you. You ask that of me and others, why is it so hard for you to live up to it?

I don’t debate on youtube. I am unaware of any policy here that limits discussion with keynesians or socialists. If there is, then by all means point it out. Or make clear that you are the one who sets posting guidelines at Mises.org. Either/or will do thanks.

Now apply that to your own posts and we’ll be fine.

This is the Mises Institute forum, not Myspace or Facebook. This is not a place for trolls to hang out. You, as a moderator, should know that. And you are having this told to you in public because you need to have it such.

Yeah, it’s that kind of childish response which leads me to treat you as a child.

Guys, I started a thread in the moderator forum to discuss this in greater detail. And please, let’s not troll each other over what some of us think is a troll.

Your arbitrary definition of who you label a troll isn’t an objective standard.

Again, I am asking you what guidelines this member violated for you to threaten him with a ban? Either point out the rules violation, fix the rules, or provide proof of your authority to arbitrarily make rules. Any will do.

isn’t at all arbitrary.

1001nights, just wondering - what books have you read about Austrian Economics?

Please list them all. [:)]

Keep in mind I was a Chomskyite roughly a year and a half ago before I discovered Ron Paul.

I actually wrote Chomsky a letter and he responded. I’m now wise enough to see his blatant fallacies and non sequitors. The question is - why aren’t you?

Anyway, now that we’re no longer debating his troll status, let’s return to the discussion.

mr1001nights, do you know that within a system of free market anarchism, workers would have the right to organize syndicalist businesses and societies for themselves?

Oh, homo economicus. What a convenient strawman for the enemies of the market. He both does not exist and is the source of all the evils in society, at once.

Those are the questions I answer in my 2 videos. It may be more productive to counter my answers, rather than answering the questions yourself.

Do you think this site is some sort of advertisement for your idiotic videos? Who’s got the time to watch the rants of some YT crank?

This is the best treatment of Austrian economics I’ve ever seen.

Summarise the relevant arguments, or begone. I’m not wasting my time trawling through deluded balderdash.

well Jon, I’m trying to see what counters you guys have to my explanations, Sure, maybe I’m wrong about everything, but simply stating in response that “capitalism is good and equals liberty” is not countering anything.