http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoNsOnj9KpU
Yeah, like we have time to go down the list and cover all 105 points. But even so, here is the link:
http://www.thevenusproject.com/the-venus-project-introduction/faq
Figured this was relevant since the other thread popped up today.
I posed my own ‘challenge’ to them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXhjDKkxSAw
I admit I’m not the best speaker in the world, but I think I was clear enough on what I was trying to say…
I’m going to lurk their forum on economic issues for a bit. I’ll see if people there have heard of/understand the socialist calculation problem. I don’t know it as well as some people, but I get the gist of it.
Good point on number one. Their ideas on scarcity are beyond inane. Even in extremely wealthy situations, there will still be wealth scarcity. If Humans Act, there is some perceived need not being met, as Mises pointed out and I mentioned in another thread. Scarcity will always exist. It’s a fundamental aspect of reality, and they don’t seem to grasp that.
TVP = communism with a penchant for the durability of goods.
After skimming through some of their economics forum, I came to realize this.
I wonder if anyone asked them… “Is your body your property?” Wouldn’t they go on to say that it isn’t? In which case, you may do as you please to them?
But why is there rules? If there is superabundance, we can destroy all we wish and never run out.
Ya, this is all nonsense.
Communists are always trying to rebirth under different disguises. Like any con artist that regularly changes his name to avoid being detected.
It seems I’v already attracted Venus people to my vid…
Massive youtube flamewar commeth.
Massive youtube flamewar commeth.
Well at least it will be just like every other vid on youtube…
How are we going to compete with a pretty girl? People are (mostly) stupid and shallow when it comes to politics.
We need a pretty girl or a well charasmatic dressed man. We need to call up Shelly Roche or Jeffrey Tucker.
I don’t think this Venus Project is going to get anywhere. It’s like the Secret fad cult. Not a threat to anyone.
She’s not that pretty, kind of a big flat face.
I do not really dig her either, but look through the comments.
There’s also videos like this, look how they try to distinguish themselves from statist socialism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdA6EoyWEwI&feature=email
"It isn’t.
The Resource-based economy uses technology and the scientific method to provide an abundance of resources for all people.
A working class and poor would not exist.
Communism and Socialism aimed to eliminate class by using money and a democratically-controlled sate owning industry. It is collectivism.
TVP is not collectivist. Anything but. The individual owns itself, there is no “state”"
Lol, TVP is not collectivist.
I do not really dig her either, but look through the comments.
There’s also videos like this, look how they try to distinguish themselves from statist socialism:
I just listen to that video. There’s just so much you can argue with those people, they are too ignorant of even elementary economics to grasp what is wrong with what they are saying.
95% of their arguments are just fallacies, or plain wrong facts.
All you can say, is “there, go read Economics in One Lesson”, and maybe they would start getting somewhere.
In a way, I feel the Venus Project people are worse than the socialists, since at least socialists studied a bit socialism, and socialist history, and somewhat interested in logical arguments.
The Venus Project crowd, on the other hand, believe the most superficial and childish myths, without realizing it has been tried before, with utter failure, and mass graves.
In a way, the Venus People are like socialist 100 years ago, before the Bolshevik revolution, when they still believe they could abolish money and everything would be great.
I think that’s it: socialist at least by calling themselves as such, claim a historical and theoritical heritage. They have to explain why it didn’t work before, and what should be changed so it works in the future.
The Venus Project crown, on the other hand, are clueless newborn, that believe no one though of their ideas before, so no criticism apply to it.
Exactly. Their inability to comprehend other ideas and the words coming out of their own mouths to recognize the similarity does not prove that they are not essentially the same.
I noticed yesterday that a girl commented on a Hulsmann video that he is “smoking hot”.
We have Amelia!
And look to the new video:
And again, I say, “Behold! The Venus Project!”:
Hello everyone everybody! I am a five-year-old economics major and scientist. I would like to start by saying that there is a basic flaw in reason. All reason.
Now that I have made my case, let’s take a look at things that have happened, ever. There is an economy and large corporations. Now we have people without jobs. This has to change. The economy and large corporations are to blame, because the jobs are gone.
WAHT R WE 2 DOOO?
Using science and economics majorology, me and some of my friends in college, plus a known university professor with two degrees and an award of unknown origin have a plan that has some things that need to be worked out but is otherwise perfect. We are going to make economy.
One time a guy wanted bread, and he had to buy it with money. This new plan, which will be fully explained, forever, is going to make his bread. He will then keep his money, all the time, and be rich.
First we will turn on the robot that makes bread. NO! It doesn’t put the bread in your mouth LOL! But it makes the bread, or two breads, and then you have bread. If you want, you can also make bread, but now it’s for fun. Your money is spent on other things, like stuff you need or want. Also, a robot gives you money.
The economy is fine because there is lots of money, and you can have it when you need it. You never need it to spend on things you need.
When you want things, you shouldn’t have to spend money on them, so it will have the things you want. You know? “It”? It has them. Always. And you can give it money for fun! This is perfect.
Now I will explain the plan:
You will have lots of money and things you need will be given to you. If you want things, they will be easy to get.
We will know what you want.
Now I will explain how it works:
You will get what you want because everyone will do things that they want, and everyone will want enough to get you what you need.
Now I’ll explain how that works.
You will have the things you need, and we will know what you want.
You will be like a god able to call down thunder, except thunder is money, and you will have it and use it for whatever you need, and it will always be there, but you won’t have to spend it unless you want to.
School will be free for everyone.
School can teach us things like what we want and need, but only if we want to know what we want. School will also have a robot that will make bread and give it to us.
School will be free, and it will be paid for by taxes.
TAXES YOU CREATE!
There will be no more stealing, because everyone will have whatever they want or need. YOU WILL HAVE THE POWER TO TAX!
Reason failed, and to prove it, just look!
Why do we keep doing things like working when things exist that work already? It is tragic for a man to work when he could be eating grapes! Now is the time for change. We need a society that will respect our freedoms to choose.
We can have it if you vote. Your vote plus other votes means everyone agrees and we are free. And with this plan, science will prove that it can work.
WE WILL USE SCIENCE TO FORM THE ECONOMY.
Scientists are working right now to find new ways for economy to happen. Soon it will happen automatically while we watch it on TV. Everyone will have TV. The poor working man with no TV will be a thing of the past.
We hope you will join us in taking over and making this real, so that everyone is free from all those ignorant ideas about needing people with lots of money.
WITH YOUR DONATION AND VOTE, IT CAN HAPPEN!
I will now explain the plan:
SCIENCE!
Everything will work because scientists are finding new ways to make things work. In the future, things will work more, and then we will have our economy.
This is how it works:
You will be a king. You will be rich. You will have the power to tax. You will have robots made of solid gold that can build the power of love. Everyone will be happy and there will be peace, because we have everything we want and need.
In order for this to happen, our most important resource (YOU) will be given all the money in the universe. You will have the power of a monarchy, but be an individual. YOU CAN TAX! There will be something to tax.
How the tax structure works:
Scientists are building new things to tax every day.
We hope you are ready to learn more about this unique and logical approach to the future of freedom of mankind’s struggle for love amidst the tyranny and oppression of the bygone days of selfishness, in which you can find that you can have everything by logic and science, because anything you can and do want will be part of the human existence of the love of mankind sharing all experience in its individuality and freedom of expression of thoughts of love.