Cause of Today's Economic Crises: Too Much Thrift

In this essay I want to propose that the ultimate of cause of today’s economic crises is that we have too much thrift. This view is very similar to John Maynard Keynes’ Paradox of Thrift. What I want to show is that this is not a paradox at all but confusion about what saving money really means and what consequences it has. I want to explain this confusion by way of examples and not using technical economic jargon usually used by economists. But before I can go into why too much savings leads to a disaster in the modern economy I need to clarify what I mean by savings and what money is by way of an example:

A baker produces ten loaves of bread. He consumes one loaf of bread. He barters one loaf of bread with his neighbor, the dairy farmer, for one gallon of milk. He barters three loaves of bread for one bushel of wheat with his other neighbor, the wheat farmer for wheat for next batch of loaves he will produce tomorrow. He gives one loaf of bread to the poor. He is now left with four loaves of bread. Now, he wants to be able save these loaves for his old age. So he goes to the market and sells his excess four loaves of bread for four pieces of gold. He saves the gold in his mattress. He does this because he will need loaves of bread in old age when he is physically unable to work.

Note that I am going to define pieces of gold as money for now. Because it is easier to understand. We will then expand the discussion to include fiat money. The baker saved four loaves of bread. That is his savings. Note that it is more proper to think of savings as the loaves of bread rather than the pieces of gold under his mattress. The baker is not really interested in pieces of gold but he is convinced that he can exchange them for loaves of bread when he retires. Because of this belief the pieces of gold give him psychological comfort and peace of mind that he physically owns the asset which he can exchange for loaves of bread.

Note that when he gets to his old age and goes back to the market and attempts to exchange the pieces of gold for loaves of bread he will get back loaves of bread based on the market price (in terms of pieces of gold) at the time of exchange. By acquiring pieces of gold (which is the most liquid asset in the baker’s civilization) he has effectively acquired equity shares in the world economy (at least in his gold based money example economy of the baker). The market price (in terms of pieces of gold) of the loaf of bread at the future time will depend on the balance of equity shares (money) trying to purchase (bid up the price) of loaves of bread and the supply of loaves of bread at that time. Note that it is not the absolute supply of equity shares (pieces of gold) that matters what matters is the number of equity shares trying to chase (purchase) the supply of loaves of bread at that time. Another way to make the same point is this: The price of loaves of bread will not increase even if more equity shares are created and handed out unless receivers of the equity shares actually attempt to spend the newly created equity shares.

Another way our baker could have attempted to save his loaves of bread for the future is by exchanging his four pieces of gold for shares of Google stock. This gives our baker a chance to acquire even more loaves of bread if Google makes good profits in the future. Of course, the baker is taking a risk. Google may not be able to make good profits.

Now apply this situation to all excess producers participating in the world markets (by excess producers I mean people like our baker who produce more loaves of bread than they need for current consumption but would like to consume their output in the future). As people become more and more productive there is more and more excess production (if consumption does not increase in tandem with efficiency increases) then this excess production will be directed (by capital markets) to produce more and more assets which can be exchanged ultimately for consumer goods in the future. This is how we get a boom. Bust happens when excess producers realize their assets (like dot com company shares or residential and commercial real estate holdings) will not yield as much return as they expected and may even give a negative return. Rightly, excess producers then rush to safety of the most liquid asset (cash). This causes asset prices to fall and induces managers to reduce investment spending causing unemployment. But this does not mean our ability to produce goods and services has diminished.

If investment slows down and consumption does not increase production must decrease to match the new level of investment. But what usually happens during a period of reduced investment is that consumption slows down as well (unemployed and those fearing unemployment spend less) reducing demand even more and reducing production even more even though our capacity to produce has not diminished during a bust. Slow down of economic activity feeds on itself devastating the economy. In short, too much thrift devastates the economy.

On top of this productivity (output per labor hour) is continually increasing (and has rocketed upwards in the past 100 years). We will have more and more unemployment unless one of following or combination of the following occurs to a sufficient degree to stem the tide of slowdown of investment activity and improving productivity.

  1. Increase investment activity. But this won’t occur unless #2 below occurs.

  2. Increase our consumption. Increase demand for goods and services.

  3. Decrease our labor hours. Work less.

  4. Do projects which will “use up” excess production.

All the stuff about too much debt (public and private) , falling asset prices and printing money is just accounting entries. We should use accounting to manage the reality around us to improve our lives and not to get confused about what is going on with the production process itself. Bad private debt should simply be liquidated. Falling asset prices does not mean that our ability to produce real goods and services is diminishing. It is in fact steadily increasing and has been for hundreds of years. Federal debt can be paid off with newly printed money (this is akin to converting debt to equity). Inflation will only occur if receivers of the new money actually spend it and even then if we run-up against the capacity of the world economy to deliver the demanded output.

Transfer (sale of) of treasury debt to external entities will only become a problem when the United States dollar stops acting like a global currency.

Since the dollar is (at least right now) a defacto global currency it is acting like equity shares in the economic output of the world economy. Of course, United States will not be able to maintain the position of being the sole power to issue equity shares (money) as productive capacity of other major nations increases. There are several ways to resolve this:

  1. Trade less. Yes, this will slow down productivity increases. USA will build up less national debt and there will be less unemployment in the U.S. This option is not a long term resolution.

  2. Share the power to issue global equity with other major nations and/or major emerging nations on some kind of a formula which everybody is comfortable with. This is a long term solution but requires a major shift in thinking.

  3. United States can try to maintain USD as the only legal tender in major international transactions by force (as it does for domestic economic transactions via legal tender laws). This is not a long term solution but may be useful in the short term.

Oh this is going to be interesting.

Welcome to the forums.

More productivity means more supply and lower prices. That is not what happens in the boom. What happens is higher prices.

Prices of investment assets decline in a bust (Stocks and Bonds and/or Real Estate).

No, this is how we get capital, wealth, and prosperity. Your position is that CAPITAL itself causes booms, which are inevitably followed by busts. If, as you suggest, all production was immediately consumed (and nothing was saved/invested as capital) how would ANY businesses get started/expanded to begin with? Seems you have the answer right here…

So basically, we should all happily consume everything we produce (some of us even more than that) and use “debt” or money out of thin air in place of the CAPITAL that we should have saved. Then, since this “debt” is merely “an accounting entry” we should just zero it out for everyone once in a while and continue with our merry ways. Nice.

You seem to be confused about the basics of how capital markets, or markets in general, work. A free market (which we don’t have now) regulates how production is distributed between savings and consumption via interest rates. Too much savings (vs consumption) would start lowering interest rates as more savings (capital supply) chases a small demand for it (consumption). Lower interest rates signal to entrepreneurs that it is now both easier to lower prices (to entice more consumption) AND to borrow and expand in anticipation of the impending increased consumption. As more is consumed (and less saved), this lowered supply of savings (capital) faces increased demand (businesses trying to meet increased consumption) resulting in higher interest rates. This is a very simple self-regulating (negative feedback) mechanism that optimally allocates production between savings and consumption and prevents (or minimizes) booms and busts. That control mechanism does not exist in your (Keynesian) world where money out of thin air acts as CAPITAL, debt “is just an accounting entry”, and the “solution” for busts is a “perpetual boom”.

Z.

The desire to save in human beings is immense, deep and ingrained. At the aggregate (world) level citizens of the world are saving too much (at least right now!). This is why we have deflation. Capital markets always continue “invest” excess production in an attempt to create assets which can be exchanged for consumer goods in the future until a bust happens (a bust is a realization that the many of the assets created will not return a sufficient return). In a bust excess producers rush to cash. Cash is not an investment. It is an accounting entry.

And where do such deeply ingrained human desires come from? Have you considered that such desire may be the result of evolution via natural selection – something that has obviously served humans well and that precedes your revolutionary “free lunch” alternative by a few million years?

In today’s world of government regulated, fractional reserve banking, “cash” is not capital. “Cash” is an accounting entry – capital is not. “Cash” out of thin air is what causes booms and busts – not capital (real savings).

Btw, welcome to the forum, and I hope your journey here is a fruitful one.

Z.

Ok. Thanks for welcome. I know my view is not like those of most who subscribe to Austrian Economics. I wanted to have a healthy discussion and I am willing change may views but I need lots and lots of evidence!

Per your statement regarding fractional reserve banking. Even in ancient times when gold and silver were operating as cash. It was still more or less acting like an accounting system. Now of course, man could not easily interfere with this natural accounting system. Before you can understand my way of thinking you must first see how I see money and cash. Cash and money to me is an asset that is most liquid (i..e, most readily exchangeable to a loaf of bread) and most commonly accepted medium of exchange. It is the asset in which I want to get paid in (in my paycheck). Also, this asset when held (saved) acts like equity shares in the output of the world economy. Do you understand this idea?

I’m trying to understand your “money as equity shares of the world economy” idea. To me, (free market, and NOT today’s) money is capital – an asset just like any other (my car, land, hot-dog stand, house, stereo, equity shares in businesses, labor, etc). Do you consider all your other assets as “equity shares of the world economy”?

Do you understand “my” distinction that in a fractional reserve banking world money is NOT necessarily capital? Capital (real savings) can not be created out of thin air.

Z.

[EDIT: I just noticed you’ve posted here before. Sorry for the belated welcome.]

Before I can discuss FRB with you properly. I must be sure you understand my definition of money as the most liquid asset and the most common medium of exchange. When such an asset is held and saved, it ends up acting like equity shares in the wordd economy. First, lets discuss old times when gold and silver were the most liquid and most common medium of exchange.

I will address your question of about “my car, land, hot-dog stand, house, stereo, equity shares in businesses, labor, etc” later.

Do you understand the parable I gave about the baker in my posting above. Just focus on the portion where the baker saves the pieces of gold in his mattress.

Now lets discuss what determines how many loaves of bread the baker gets upon retirement when he returns to the marketplace to exchange his pices of gold for the loaves of bread.

Of course, the short answer is: balance between supply of loaves of bread and demand for loaves of bread.

The demand will be expressed by the market by bidding for loaves of bread in terms of pieces of gold (just assume that when the baker retires pieces of gold are still used as the most common medium of exchange). Now, assume that techology and business process knowledge has advanced since the baker went to the market to sell his loaves. This means (under normal circumstances) entrepreneurs will be able to create loaves of bread much cheaper (with less labor and cheaper material cost). So, he will probably get more loaves of bread for the same pieces of gold since gold supply is very hard to inflate.

Now you see how his pieces of gold are acting like equity shares in the performance of the world economy. Think of the world economy as a giant mutual fund and his pieces of gold represent equity claims on the economic output of the world economy.

With me so far?

This will be a good laugh.

Did you read my above explanation of What I mean by equity shares? Any questions? Did you understand what I mean?

I think we would both benefit if you addressed it now. It would save us a lot of time.

Why wouldn’t that demand be also expressed by bidding for loaves of bread in terms of hot-dog stands, cars, land, stereos, equity shares in businesses, or houses? Instead of saving his excess production in the form of gold, the baker could have just as well saved it in the form of land, then when he retires, rent it out to a farmer/baker in exchange for loaves of bread. So he had ZERO gold, and by your logic ZERO “equity shares in the world economy”, and yet he still gets his loaves of bread at retirement.

I think I’m “with” you, but I’m wondering if you are with me? “Pieces” of ALL forms of capital act like “equity shares in the world economy”. Gold, or whatever the market chooses as the most convenient medium for CAPITAL exchange, is nothing special in that sense.

Z.

What is ‘too much’ relative to, btw?

Too much is when the public attempts to “save” too many fiat dollars in their bank accounts and economic activity slows down (consumption and actual physical investing activities). Saving Fiat dollars is not an investing activity in my definition (it is an accounting entry).

Even saving pieces of gold is not investing. It does not employ people. It does not (just by sitting in a mattress) build factories.

Do you understand?

I think you’re giving too little weight to subjective valuation. The value of his so-called “claim” is really just the sum of the valuations of everyone else. What if everyone chooses a new money? Then his gold becomes near worthless.

I don’t think that there is such a thing as an “equity claim on economic output.” Gold is just a good, like any other, that individuals value for its usefulness in achieving their subjective ends—it by no means represents economic health or productivity.

How much is too much? too little?

You are correct. All producers of real wealth and value (products and services) have to judge/choose which “money” will best help them traverse time and distance. At least people did before legal tender laws. Now producers are forced to transact in fiat currency of the government under a threat of violence/incarceration. But even now people can choose to hold cash in various currencies or even in gold and silver if they wanted to. Right?

But most people even now choose to hold their cash in fiat, specially dollars. Not in physical gold coins or GLD shares.

Major international transactions occur in dollars as well.

When deflation ensues (broadbased economy wide sustained decline in prices of goods and services – as during the great depression).