Cause of Today's Economic Crises: Too Much Thrift

You say that people will just magically stop wanting to increase their purchasing power. Which is insanely silly. You cannot know what people will do. How many times must I point out you are no god. You do not have such foresight.

Not only that, business can expand on their own without external investment in deflation. If they are receiving revenue by pleasing consumers, they can save themselves and invest their own capital for expansion.

In inflation however this is not the case, or is much harder to accomplish. In inflation if they do not generate enough revenue, and cannot get external investment, they are forced to take out credit.

Heh, what have you read of Keynes? What have you read of Mises?

Keynes had no logical foundation from which to build his theory on. As a result he came up with “animal spirits” The same silly nonesense you subscribe to. Mises however solidified praxeology, a system that in and of itself dismanteles your whole illogical theory.

How can your theory be sound when it is illogical?

Can you please re-post? I am sorry. There multiple people and too many pages of thread to go through to find it.

Thanks.

Mansoor

I don’t have a list handy. But whatever I have read of keynes directly (their writings) or others peoples elaboration of their ideas. Keynes is light years ahead of Mises.

Actually Keynes did not go far enough: Money is equity shares in the performance of the world economy!

Mansoor.

praxeology – don’t use fancy words. Just give me scenarios in terms of loaves of bread, bread factories and pieces of gold!

Mansoor

Again,

Just give me scenarios in terms of loaves of bread, bread factories and pieces of gold!

I am confident I can sleigh this monster.

If I cannot I will accept you. I have no problem with that.

Mansoor

You are NOT reading my posts! I did give you an economic system in terms of loaves of bread, bread factories, etc… Respond point by point to my post.

Why not?

You’re on a forum devoted to Austrian econ. Learn our terminology.

Again, this does not help me at all. Please give scenarios in terms of loaves of bread, bread making factory and pieces of gold!

Mansoor

You’re right. It does not matter.

If you are interested in the reading list I suggested, simply click on the blue icon that shows the number of my posts, all of my replies to you will appear in reverse date order.

Do you mind if I ask: What was the intent of this thread? Clearly, it was not to understand shortcomings in your theories. After nine pages, you revealed that 1) you reject ABCT, 2) Keynes is ahead of Mises, 3) Keynes did not go far enough because of the implications of “world equity shares”. Was your intent to actually “educate us” as to real economic theory? I thought you had a sincere interest in understanding Austrian economics which is why I participated so much in this thread. Why didn’t you lay your cards on the table at the beginning? It matters because it was a waste of time discussing your theory from the standpoint of AE, since you reject AE. I would have moved on to the next thread had I known where you were coming from earlier.

maybe you’re tired Mansoor. We can all take a rest. I’m in no hurry.

Look.

Please explain to me in terms of loaves of bread, bread making factories and pieces of gold what capital is?

We cannot talk about if we have too much capital or too little capital until you clearly tell me what capital is in terms of loaves of bread, bread making factories and pieces of gold.

Mansoor

Look.

Please explain to me in terms of loaves of bread, bread making factories and pieces of gold what capital is?

We cannot talk about if we have too much capital or too little capital until you clearly tell me what capital is in terms of loaves of bread, bread making factories and pieces of gold.

Mansoor

No. I just completed my prayers. I am refreshed and on roll. Please continue.

Mansoor

I said above in that post:

You can’t make bread when nobody wants to buy it. So make butter instead because people do want butter. The market doesn’t collapse and producers get returns on their investments. win-win.

That’s all of my posts, especially the really long one on artificial interest rates versus natural interest rates, CDS, MBS, and China’s empty cities.

questions?

You still have not told me:

Please explain to me in terms of loaves of bread, bread making factories and pieces of gold what capital is?

We cannot talk about if we have too much capital or too little capital until you clearly tell me what capital is in terms of loaves of bread, bread making factories and pieces of gold.

Mansoor

lol You’ve got spirit! I’ll honor that![:)]

I know you see a problem. You want it fixed. You desire to help people. You sound very compassionate. Now let’s get the flaws out of that method so we can fix the problem. Wouldn’t want to make an error that repeats itself.

Mansoor, a suggestion for future threads. Please don’t re-quote the entire post. Just highlight the specific item you want to quote, then click on “quote”. You’ll have to work with it to figure it out, but it will shorten things up. Hope this helps.

what? I talked about bread and I even threw in butter to give it a little extra.

Ok. Thanks!

Mansoor