Trulib:
You make good points. There is a large overlap between the three authors you mention on the idea of the disutility of labor, and all three considered that there was such a thing as a human action axiom that could serve as a grounding axiom of a deductive system.
I would argue that even in those two areas of overlap, there are already subtle differences in conception(s), such that the farther one extends reasoning from those subtly different conceptions, the more pronounced the differences will be.
“My definition of praxeology comes from Rothbard: “The formal implications of the fact that men use means to attain various chosen ends”, i.e. the implications of the action axiom. I’m not aware of any substantive difference between Mises and Rothbard’s approach to economics (i.e. praxeology).”
I think it is important to recognize at least two periods of Rothbard scholarship. The early Rothard was a student of Mises and of Mises’s praxeology (when he wrote MES), while the mature Rothbard came to be largely dissatisfied with Mises’s philosophy and rejected not only Mises’s utilitarianism (I mean this in the sens of ‘egoistic’ utilitarianism), but also rejected the definition you provide above (when he wrote TEoL).
Consider that both dishonesty and coercion can be considered means to attain various ends. A person can lie in order to gain entrance to a club, or a person can coerce another person in order to gain access to that same club. The means of coercion is possibly the central concept of libertarian ethics. But Rothbard rejected praxeology as in any sense useful or appropriate for formally analyzing these “ethical” means:
“This procedure is perfectly proper for the formal science of praxeology, or economic theory, but not necessarily elsewhere.” (TEoL p.12)
Rothbard’s position came to be that actually, one cannot (or should not) examine the formal implications of the fact that men use means to attain ends except when considering market phenomena.
Mises’s position was largely as your quote, but the mature Rothbard position rejects the quote you provide, and economics and praxeology become largely synonymous. The Rothbardian re-formulation would be something like:
“In market and market-related transactions, man uses means to attain his ends, but not necessarily in his ethical conduct. Praxeology is the formal analysis of man using means to attain ends in market transactions as distinct from his ethical conduct.”
Thus, Rothbard’s definition of praxeology is essentially “logical reasoning with respect to market transactions,” while Mises’s definition of praxeology is “the formal analysis of all forms of human action.” For Rothbard, praxeology is simply economic science as practiced by a particular school. For Mises, praxeology is a general science of human goal-directed activity.
As another example of the relatively significant difference in approaches and conceptions, consider the brief passage you quoted previously:
“Combined with a few empirical, and empirically testable assumptions (such as that labor implies disutility)”
Here is a passage from Mises (HA, chapter 2, section 10, The Procedure of Economics):
“There is no phenomenon that introduces itself as disutility of labor. There are only data of experience which are interpreted, on the ground of aprioristic knowledge, to mean that men consider leisure…”
“We infer from this fact that leisure is a valued good and that labor is regarded as a burden. But for previous praxeological insight, we would never be in a position to reach this conclusion.”
I interpret Mises as using the idea of aprioristic knowledge and previous praxeological insight equivalently here.
Essentially what the Hoppe quote is implying is that we can observe the disutility of labor as an empirically testable feature of objective reality, whereas what the Mises quote is implying is that we approach the observable data of our experience with praxeological knowledge that gives meaning to that observable data.
So while both authors are addressing the same phenomenon, they are giving differing accounts of the nature and source of that phenomenon.
Here is what I was trying to convey in my last post:
One conception of praxeology is something like:
- Praxeology is formal analysis + empirically testable assumptions
the other is something like:
- Praxeology is formal analysis + interpreting empirical data (observable data) on the basis of formal analysis
Those two conceptions are not identical.
My point was that if we are using #1 as our definition or conception of praxeology, this conception or definition is not universally held. There are subtle but important differences between Mises’s formal/analytical approach, and the approach that explicitly attempts to combine formal/analytical notions and objective/empirical notions in the same theoretical construct.
#3: “In a complex economy (A), one commodity will tend to become money (B).”
“#3 is different though, and I think it counts as an empirical observation in the same sense as the disutility of labor, or the existence of a central bank. Rothbard shows in chapter 3 why and how money comes about, and then from chapter 4 onwards, takes as given that a money has developed.”
I agree that #3 is different from #1 and #2. In #1 and #2, we make no reference to empirical observation, and we imply that they are derivable from contemplating the nature of action. In #3, we imply that we can observe a regularity of sorts.
I might argue that #3 is what Menger would refer to as an empirical law; a regularity that either exhibits exceptions, or at least one in which exceptions are possible:
"A glance at the theoretical sciences teaches us rather that the regularities in the coexistenc and in the succession of phenomena are in part without exception; indeed they are such that the possibility of an exception seems quite out of the question. However, some are such that they do indeed exhibit excpetions, or that in their case exceptions seem possible. The first are called laws of nature, the latter empirical laws.
(Investigations into the Method of the Social Sciences, Book 1, Chapter 3.)
Menger then goes on to say that what are called laws of nature are more accurately referred to as exact laws.
A law is a statement of regularity in the relationship between phenomenon A and phenomonon B.
#3 says that when A appears (a complex economy), then B will appear (one commodity will be money). There is a regular or constant relation asserted.
Then the question is whether this relationship is without exception (exact law) or exceptions are possible (empirical law).
Going back to our two conceptions of praxeology then, we can re-phrase them as:
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Praxeology is exact laws + empirical laws
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Praxeology is exact laws + interpreting the (empirical) data of experience in terms of exact laws
I think it is important to distinguish clearly between the conception of an empirical observation conceived as a singular observation of an event or object, and the assertion of a regularity between two such events or objects, A and B.
#3 “in a complex economy (A), one commodity will tend to become money (B).”
I don’t think this can be considered an empirical assumption or observation because the definition of what constitutes, for example, “a complex economy” must be defined before-hand with reference to some theory, before we can then turn to experience and interpret that experience as a “complex economy.”
For example, why isn’t a complex economy one in where there are a huge number of commodities in service as money? This would seem to be an extremely “complex” economy, and one where there is only one commodity used would seem to be a very simple economy.
This indicates that what we will refer to as a complex economy and as a simple economy is not a feature of the various objects that we observe moving around, but is rather a feature of the theory we are using to interpret those objects.
Mises and Hayek will make the same argument with respect to money. There are round discs of metal which are the subject matter of natural science. Then there is, paraphrasing Mises in the quote above: “…data of our experience which are interpreted, on the ground of aprioristic knowledge, to mean that those round metal discs are money…”
For references, see: John Searle, Minds, Brains, and Science, chapter’s 4 and 5, and Hayek, Individualism and Economic Order, essay: “The Facts of the Social Sciences.”
Thus, I would make two points about #3:
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It is more accurately understood as an empirical law
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It is misleading to refer to this law as empirical, in the sense that both A and B cannot be consistently conceived as being features of “empirical reality,” but instead, are only consistently conceived as deriving from what Mises refers to as aprioristic knowledge.
I’m going to argue that the whole idea of the disutility of labor is mistaken and a dead-end path, and that what we are referring to as “labor” is simply action, and nothing more.
Here is my reasoning:
I don’t believe we can limit our concept of labor to labor in a social setting (employer/employee relationship). When an isolated individual hunts or farms for his provisions, that is labor also. I will assert that the “disutility” involved in such labor refers to the fact that when one considers doing the specified activity, the perceived costs of that activity, speaking loosely, “give rise to hesitation” whether to proceed with the planned activity.
That one undertakes the activity, “demonstrates” that the activity has utility (not disutility) for the individual concerned.
What makes that activity “labor” with “disutility” is the fact considering that activity gives rise to hesitation due to the costs expected to be incurred.
But then, this same idea holds for (I will argue) all actions, as there are costs incurred in all actions. A person experiences the same phenomenon, for example, before a workout, or even before getting up off the couch. But if we are going to include these activities as various forms of labor, then eventually it will become clear that what we are referring to is an aspect of action; that there is a negative, painful, displeasing, etc., aspect of each and every action.
If this argument holds, then we could maintain that the idea of the disutility of labor is an idea that resulted from a mixture of the older objective concepts (e.g. the idea that there is something out there called labor that we can observe and that has disutility), and the pure theory of action that deals with the universal (not accidental or particular) aspects of human action.
“Praxeology is a theoretical and systematic, not a historical, science. Its scope is human action as such, irrespective of all environmental, accidental, and individual cirumstances of the concrete acts. Its cognition is purely formal and general without reference to the material content and the particular features of the actual case.” (HA, 3rd rev. p.32)
“Praxeology is not concerned with the changing content of acting, but with its pure form and its categorial structure. The study of the accidental and environmental features of human action is the task of history.” (HA, 3rd rev. p.47)