Then I’d say civ is already collapsing.
Thats my point. What is yours?
The other night I hunted down a parking space at the grocery store, then gathered a bag of chips.
lol! Did anyone watch Milf Hunter and play Magic: The Gathering?
Thats my point. What is yours?
That we should prepare for when the collapse gets worse.
I think you should prepare for when you realise that everything you believe in is actually false.
I think you should prepare for when you realise that everything you believe in is actually false.
How is it false? History has shown that every other civ has inevitably collapsed. Ours is no different.
Right now your seeing authoritarian governments, drying up natural resources (due to state monopoly), a HUGE number of people diagnosed w/ mental illness, poison in the food and water (fluoride, HFCS, nitrates), out-of-control population, increased wars and other indicators of civ collapse.
I can use evidence to prove my case. All you can do is call me crazy w/ no real evidence.
F4M,
Any ecological disaster that’s going to happen has already started. While it may be quick on a geological scale, it probably won’t be noticeable in a human’s lifetime. If you’re expecting a hollywoodesque 24-hours where NYC floods, the icecaps melt, and the plants dry up then you should seriously consider taking a geology or ecology class.
That said, if you’re really concerned with collapse you should look at how people who have lived off the Earth pull it off.
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Gold: I’ve gone over this. No modern day hunter/gatherer or sedentary permaculture society trades with gold.
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Hording: you horde when there will be no supply at all. If the collapse you’re expecting is going to be so bad that plant life won’t grow, then hording will only save you for as long as you have food for, that is if the air is even breathable without vegetation.
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Kick back and let it happen. If you’re going to try to live in the woods with a buttload of gold and ammo trying to declare yourself king of the future, don’t be surprised when no one else is very receptive and decides to trade with something more abundant (or, gasp!, act like some kind of communist). Anyway, enjoy the collapse. Drink some more beer. Learn to homebrew. That’s a surefire way of having something people will want.
- Gold: I’ve gone over this. No modern day hunter/gatherer or sedentary permaculture society trades with gold.
What makes you think a MoE won’t be established naturally after civ’s collapse?
- Hording: you horde when there will be no supply at all. If the collapse you’re expecting is going to be so bad that plant life won’t grow, then hording will only save you for as long as you have food for, that is if the air is even breathable without vegetation.
I won’t be growing seeing as to how ag lead to the creation of a new state. I plan on living in the woods in New Hampshire where I’ll eat nothing but raw feral plants. Thats what humans were designed to eat anyway.
If you’re going to try to live in the woods with a buttload of gold and ammo trying to declare yourself king of the future, don’t be surprised when no one else is very receptive and decides to trade with something more abundant
After a civ collapse there will be a huge demand for gold. People love shiny things and will trade for them. Gold has always been the natural currency choice.
“What makes you think a MoE won’t be established naturally after civ’s collapse?”
I’m saying gold. Please tell me which h/g society trades with gold and we’ll have a discussion. Otherwise, you’re just asserting something that, as gar as I know, has no backing.
“I won’t be growing seeing as to how ag lead to the creation of a new state. I plan on living in the woods in New Hampshire where I’ll eat nothing but raw feral plants. Thats what humans were designed to eat anyway.”
Permaculture. Look it up.
“After a civ collapse there will be a huge demand for gold. People love shiny things and will trade for them. Gold has always been the natural currency choice.”
No. No it has not. That is a quantifiably false statement.
I’m saying gold. Please tell me which h/g society trades with gold and we’ll have a discussion. Otherwise, you’re just asserting something that, as gar as I know, has no backing.
Why should I care if a H/G society which uses gold has never existed? That doesn’t mean one can’t exist now or won’t exist after collapse of civ. In times of currency collapse ppl always gravitate towards gold or silver since its the most sound and the one thing EVERYONE will value.
No. No it has not. That is a quantifiably false statement.
How?
Worse than what? Its a collapse. Its collapsing. Bam! Thereyago.
Worse than what? Its a collapse. Its collapsing. Bam! Thereyago.
I’m already preparing. Before the collapse I’m sure the state will become its most tyrannical. Better learn the skills now and escape civ all together before massive tyranny kicks into gear.
“How?”
…because throughout human history people have traded with a lot more than gold, especially societies that don’t have kings or empires. When societies have currencies that collapse and they do resort to gold it’s usually against the failing currency of their old state, but in cases where there’s not mining, gold processing, or preist/kings gold is irrelevant. That’s how it’s quantifiably false. You state that gold is always the go-to currency, and that’s simply not true if you look at even the most superficial overviews of failed states and H/G societies.
But suit yourself. You can tire yourself out running through the woods with gold on your back while I’m chilling on my permaculture farm drinking a homebrew.
but in cases where there’s not mining, gold processing, or preist/kings gold is irrelevant.
What do priests and kings have to do w/ gold as currency? you sound like a socialist.
You state that gold is always the go-to currency, and that’s simply not true if you look at even the most superficial overviews of failed states and H/G societies.
Give me REAL examples b/c all I know is that gold will be valued by everyone b/c of its shinyness and convenience as a MoE.
you mean 2005?
too late, fukushima is in nh as well
Doesnt matter. Learn the skills now or else you’ll be f***ed when civ’s collapse starts kicking it into gear and becomes VERY noticeable. Just wait until the state enforces neo-feudalism after resource scarcity becomes way more apparent, or starts institutionalizing our kids, or reveals that 1 in 10 kids is mentally deficient due to vax/chems in the food.
Or when the state starts chipping you.
Civ is a prison. H/Gs were the only true anarcho-capitalist societies. Lets return.
“What do priests and kings have to do w/ gold as currency? you sound like a socialist.”
That’s how gold has been most commonly used: gifts to appease, adorn, or denote kings or high preists, and all of these are example of agricultural societies. H/Gs just don’t use gold. Sorry.
“Give me REAL examples b/c all I know is that gold will be valued by everyone b/c of its shinyness and convenience as a MoE.”
Neither the Navajo, Ojibwe, Appache, Arawak, Lakota, or Hopi used gold as a currency, and that’s just North America. I defy you to find a culture that used gold as a currency and wasn’t agricultural. As I’ve already said, a million times, gold is fucking heavy. It’s really the least convenient thing you could use for exchange when you’re busy rumaging through the woods for food.
Please, just think about it. So you and everyone on the planet are busy running through the woods searching for food. What would you value? Shiny things or tools that can help you catch food, tasty foods, tools for preparing and/or preserving food, warm clothes, and fancy drinks? Put some method to your madness.