Hunting and gathering

I’m looking more into survivalism. I’m sure there will be a collapse sometime in the near future. Part of me thinks that the most free anyone can be is living like a hunter gatherer. I want to live by myself in New Hampshire with no neighbors where I’ll hunt and gather my food supply. I’ll also bring my gold and silver with me in case I have to go into civilization to buy what I need.

We don’t know what the state is putting in our food supply and medicine (there’s a reason why the number of children being diagnosed with mental disorders has gone way up in the past 20 years), and the state has done so much to dumb us down through government schools. We need to start living off the land again free from the state and others.

What does everyone think about living like a hunter gatherer?

If everyone started living as a hunter-gatherer, nearly everyone on Earth would die of starvation in short order.

If everyone started living as a hunter-gatherer, nearly everyone on Earth would die of starvation in short order.

  1. How would you know?

  2. Why should I care? Are you insisting that we put the collective before the individual?

I’d like to know why you feel that we will go from what we are today, to a way of living that requires knowing how to hunt and gather to survive.

  • 1) How would you know?

Because the whole reason we can support such a large population is because of the division of labor, dedicated farms and animal husbandry, and capital invested in mechanized agriculture.

  • 2) Why should I care? Are you insisting that we put the collective before the individual?

The point he was making becomes far more salient when you realize that you are not a unique and special snowflake, and that in the grand scheme of things, you are just as likely to starve out or be murdered in the transition as anyone else, even if you’re out in the boondocks. You should care because the wholesale starvation of a population in the hundreds of millions is, aside from the plainly obvious and incalculable tragedy, also bound to be an extraordinarily violent and destructive stituation.

Freedom4Me, this article just popped into my head, I think this might give you a different perspective on how “free” you’ll be if you go back to subsistence farming or hunter-gathering:

http://mises.org/daily/4983/To-Hell-with-Farming

Might as well start hunting now so you at least know what you’re doing instead of wandering in the woods unknowingly. Plus, I’m sure hunters (such as some people in my family) don’t refer to themselves as “hunter gatherers”. They hunt, it’s what they do, simple as that.

If you want to test yourself to see if you could survive in the wilderness go hike the Appalachian Trail. There are people who’ll do the whole trail from Georgia to Maine. When I camp in the Shenandoah Mountains I’ll see the people who are just doing Skyline Drive which is a 100 mile road (but I’m sure they are sticking to the trails majority of the time as I only see a few on the road, or at the camp store). You have to cover 20-25 miles a day if you want to finish it in a week.

Who cares? I want 100% full sovereignty. That means not being tied down to any society. I want to be self-sufficient in food. I want to live w/o taxes, regulations or obligations to others (slavery). I can live on my own in NH hunting and gathering and using my gold and silver to buy my tools. What’s the problem with that?

i read somewhere that “true security is being to see your food supply growing outside your window.”

and that made sense about as long as it took to reach the period ending that gag inducing statement.

have survivalists ever heard of droughts? blights?! pests?!?!

there is a very real probability that your entire food supply will be wiped out (or at least severley restricted) by one or another natural disaster.

HELL, trying to deal with the changing of the seasons is hard enough!!! just ask Christopher McCandless.

thank god, the global distribution of the modern food chain avoids all these problems. i can still stuff my face with fresh fruit and vegitables (or more likely chicken wings, french fries, and lager) even though my area is in a severe drought!

that being said, if people bug you enough that you want to live in the woods by yourself, GO FOR IT! i also sometimes think starvation and tics would be better companions than 90% of the people i interact with.

but please don’t say “we need to start living off the land again”. unless by “we” you mean “misanthropes with a hard on for Jack London”. because im personally not living off anything other than orange drank and fruit roll ups.

“That means not being tied down to any society.” - Society is made up of individuals, when you plan on buying tools with your gold you are essentially making up a piece of society. Those tools are brought to the shop from a driver who works for a company that makes tools, and those tools are all made of various parts, etc etc. There’s nothing wrong with being self sufficient, but use your brain. When this so called collapse happens you might end up starving in the wilderness. I have speculation you probably would if you are on an economics forum asking such questions and never really “survived” on your own in those conditions. Plus, why is it assumed the shop keeper will take your gold or silver?

Just learn from all those hunter and gatherers in the Weimar Republic, or the Argentine hunter and gatherers of the early 1990s!

That is where food storage comes in.

Alaska is tougher to survive in than people like Chris imagine. Chris tried to go it alone in a land he had never stepped foot in with just a bag of rice and didn’t even bring a map. He got hurt and if he had someone with him they would have done the hunting/gathering while he recuperated.

And if it breaks down, then what? The next depression will be far worse when you compare the America of today to the America of that time. Riots and looting will absolutely explode. See here and here.

I like the story that the wife of James Rawles, the editor of Survivalblog.com, wrote:

You may have concluded by now that while my husband is a “guns and groceries” style survivalist, I can more accurately be called a homesteader. A modern homesteader is a person who tries to live self-reliantly on their own land. Our satisfaction and peace of mind come from growing our own food, heating with our own fuel, and even knowing how to make our own clothes if necessary! Happily survivalism and homesteading dovetail nicely…

My homesteading mindset was developed early in my childhood as I listened to parents and grandparents talk about living through the Great Depression. My father’s parents were town people. His Dad soon lost his job at the newspaper. They had meager savings. My father said after that they ate potatoes–just potatoes. At harvest time each year they found a bit of work picking fruit. Then they ate whatever fruit they were picking, and only that fruit. Then it was back to potatoes again. And forget about money for new clothes, or gas for the car, or doctor’s bills, or anything else.

Meanwhile, my maternal Grandpa worked in town as a machinist, but they always lived out in the country on a small farm. Grandpa cultivated a large garden and orchard, had a few milk cows, raised a couple of hogs, and Grandma raised 100 chicks every year to sell as fryers. My mother’s father lost his job during the Depression too. But they had fresh milk and butter from their cows, eggs, chicken, and beef and pork, fruits and vegetables in season, and lots of canned produce. (Plus my mother’s family still had a small income and a ready source of barter from the farm produce.) It so happened that their house was next to a church on a rural highway. And many times Grandma fed “poor folk” who had come to their house thinking it was the church parsonage. And she could–because of the bounty of their farm!

My Dad had a miserable youth through the Depression. He suffered a profound change in quality of life as they experienced extreme poverty. My Mother on the other hand, did not experience much of a change because her parents were self-sufficient on their farm. I intend to emulate my self-sufficient grandparents. And with God’s grace, my family will have a good quality of life–no matter what the economy does.

I hope your not planning on playing “Batman in the Boondocks:

Batman Fantasy Land

You should discard any fantasies that you might have had about strapping on a backpack and disappearing into nearby National Forest to “live off the land.” IMHO, that is an invitation to disaster. Too many things can go wrong: You will lack sufficient shelter. You will not be able to carry enough food reserves. Your one rifle and your one pistol, and your one axe, once lost or broken will leave you vulnerable and unable to provide for your sustenance or self defense. Any illness or injury could be life threatening. Even just a dunking in a stream in mid-winter could cost your life. Also, consider how many thousands of urbanites will probably try to do the same thing. Even if you manage to avoid encounters with them, those legions of people foraging at once will quickly deplete the available wild game in many regions. Furthermore, on your own you won’t be able to maintain sufficient security. (You must sleep, after all!) For countless reasons, playing “Batman in the Boondocks” just won’t work. So forget about the “one pack” solution, other than as a last resort–for example, in the event that your retreat is overrun. Also note that any of you that do not live at your intended retreat location year round should have a “Get out of Dodge” (G.O.O.D.) pack ready at all times. Keep it in the trunk of your car in case circumstances force you to hike all or part of the way to your retreat. (A sub-optimal situation, as described in my novel Patriots.) Be sure to inspect your G.O.O.D. pack regularly and rotate any first aid supplies, chemical light sticks, jerky, dried fruit, or other perishables.

That is where food storage comes in.

You’re worried about the small prob the global food system will suddenlly collapse, but shrug off the routine occurence of flooding/drought/blight/etc with “i’ll just do some cannin’”?? I guess u have more faith than I do in the possibility of a single person living alone in the woods to stock up that much food strictly from hunting/gathering.

if he had someone with him they would have done the hunting/gathering while he recuperated.

Seems like a relevant lesson for someone thinking about going off into the woods on his own. glad i brought it up. :slight_smile:

And if it breaks down, then what?

It would take larger forces than a recession or even a 30s style depression to make the system collapse. So if it does break down, im sure there are bigger problems to worry about:

Just learn from all those hunter and gatherers in the Weimar Republic, or the Argentine hunter and gatherers of the early 1990s

And you need to learn about survivalism.

Complete Survivalist

Society may collapse. When that happens I want to be self-sufficient. MY food. MY guns. MY gold.

I’m sorry, but society will not “collapse” in the way you envision it. This blog post by Robert Higgs is relevant.

EDIT: Btw, if you’re “self-sufficient”, why do you need "your gold"? For jewelry?

EDIT: Btw, if you’re “self-sufficient”, why do you need "your gold"? For jewelry?

For buying things from others if I discover I need them.

http://dailyanarchist.com/2010/12/08/baby-steps-to-survivalism/