I dont mean to bring up conspiracy thinking…But I am young, naive, and really dont know what to think about this NWO crap. heres a recent article http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2009/cbarchive_20090127.html
I was just very curious as to yalls personal opinions on this subject. Is it a bunch of B.S. or a serious threat to the future of our personal sovereignty?
Do some research. Draw your own conclusions.
I don’t know why everybody thinks everything has to be a conspiracy. No one is saying that “all the congressmen who created and supported the ICC are creating a path WITH INTENT… to turn the U.S. into a socialist country”. But things lead to the creation of that very crazy goal.
We have all been saying this kind of thing would happen for thousands of years, even the Bible eludes to something of this sort. The Road To Serfdom changed my thinking forever, because Hayek showed that policies of good intent lead to fascism. There is no conspiracy, it is just the logical outcome of things that people have done.
Man does not like to know he doesn’t have control over much, so explaining something like global government as a series of very small steps will not convince anyone. There always has to be some kind of dark man behind the curtain controlling everything. Conspiracy theories are so prevalent because it is easy way to spurge action instead of academic explanation.
All men have wanted to rule the world. Some have come close. I don’t know why people thinking this can happen on a global scale are rejected as nutjobs. If Ghengis Khan could rule almost half the world, why is it crazy to think it can happen with advanced technology and propaganda on a global scale.
It does not matter wether it is a conspiracy or not, what does matter is that it is happening! And if the only way to rally support to stop it is illogical and insane ramblings from a stoned anarchist, or by a very insightful man, by all means go do what you do. I will never trade my freedom for my rationalism.
200 years ago I’m sure someone said something about a world wide bank and was laughed at. But we still laugh at the guy who says the world wide bank is going to control the world economy.
with regards to things like the economic policies that lead to authoritarian socialism there doesnt need to be a conspiracy. Opinions mysteriously start converging when all the funding comes from the same place. Papers and policy suggestions that support one political outcome get more funding, and opposing research gradually dies.
I don’t believe in the NWO mainly because there isn’t anything new about it.They’ve been in control for thousands of years.It’s no coincidence that both Barack and George are related nor is it a coincidence that they are related to the Medici family and Clovis.
Of course there is a conspiracy. There are armies of intellectuals in public universities conspiring with politicians to create bigger, more centralized powers for them to conquer and wield. Simply reading the historical trend is enough to show that it’s pretty far along. The people who denounce conspiracy theorists are almost certainly part of the conspiracy.
I am curious, what do italian aristorcrats and french kings have to do with the New World Order?
I am part of that conspiracy, I admit it. You make a lot of assumptions, generalizations, and the like about what other people are thinking, its a bad world view in my opinion. I could have sworn that Austrian theory pretty much revolves around the notion that it is impossible to control such variable things as the actions of billions of people. Maybe they’ve just been lucky, though I tend to think it is mainly due to convincing themselves, and in extension many others that they are doing the right course of action. I’ve heard some telling of sympathy for an armed rebellion against the state, it would fail because unless we have the sympathy of the population, or their complacency, we’d all be in less desirable circumstances.
A year ago I was a socialist. I swooned over Chomsky. I then saw a comment on a Chosmky video, “Ron Paul America’s last hope”. I youtubed him and was blown away. The Foriegn Policy analysis blew me away. Then it got me thinking, what about the rest he’s saying? If he’s getting totally attacked by the media, “kook” “but” “gadfly” “isolationist” etc. What are his other positions?
Witnessing the media blackout first hand, its just so blatant they are controlled. The whole thing is worldwide, Ron Paul could have been the story of the political decade, if they so wished. Instead he was marginalized, defamed, censored, blacked out and ridiculed at every opportunity. (I can provide object reasons he should have been covered, yet didn’t get a peep. Also empirical analysis from a TV producer, if you wish.) The media chose the president, plain as day.
More to the point; I started out thinking Alex Jones was insane, a little out there - but he promoted Ron Paul so that was ok. Anyway, its all so blatant now - you can’t seriously deny there is a move towards world government, without remaining willfully ignorant of whats going on it the world.
Ron Paul Speech - One World Government
"The only question to be answered with right now is; what is it going to be replaced with?
Believe me they are working very hard to devise a new system. They are talking about an international fiat currency paper system, with the loss of US national sovereignty.
“We have to stop this move towards one world government and one world currency.”
Ron Paul on Barack Obama and New World Order
[I]“McCain was obviously the back up candidate if Obama didn’t win”
“They’ve been positioning Obama for a long, long time”
“You know the plans are laid for him to take care of the corporate elite”[/I]
Below - it is from the some of the elite’s own words, all sourced below… 
Future is Calling - G. Edward Griffin
Ron Paul: Bad Foreign Policy Started with Woodrow Wilson
“Ron Paul can you speak about the NWO’s plan for a one world government? Will they succeed?”
Ron Paul:- “They’ll succeed if we don’t do anything about it.”
Also:
Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Screen by Butler Shaffer
Thanks to Mises Institute Media Section for this one.
The European Union. Does it exist? check.
The South American Union. Does it exist? check.
The North American Union. Does it exist? In the process.
The African Union. Does it exist? check.
The Asian Pacific Union. Does it exist? Soon. Diplomat appointed by PM Rudd of Australia working on it.
Look at all those nice trading blocs whose nations are losing complete national sovereignty. (Managed trade, not FREE trade) 
Better yet; possibility of world war 3? Pakistan vs India? US vs Iran/Syria/most of middle east, Israel vs Palestine, Russia vs Georgia again?, Indonesia was talking about going to support Hamas, etc.
Now ask yourselves this, what usually happens after World Wars?
World War 1: League of Nations
World War 2: United Nations
World War 3: One world government ??
I’d also suggest reading the Report from Iron Mountain - taken from Chp 24 in Creature from Jeykll Island.
It is pretty much exactly what is happening now. Lets just say, the climate change aka man made global warming movement… ain’t really about saving the environment.
Definite- “serious threat to the future of our personal sovereignty.”
But the REAL beauty of the Austrian School of Economics is - you don’t need to talk about the NWO scum to defeat them. You don’t need to mention the conspiracy aspect at all. The NWO = tyranny. You don’t need to convince people that there is a political and global elite who are behind the scences trying to make this happen.
All you need to do is convince people of LIBERTY. And the best way to do that is with the Austrian School of Economics.
Power is its own currency. The best bribe of all. If someone is confused about the right course of action, power can tip the balance.
You’re missing a couple things here. First, as stated, you are correct. But the idea is not to control the actions of billions of people, but to control their political choices, and thus the law and property rights. So while you are still able to choose what you buy in the marketplace more or less, your options in the political marketplace are completely controlled. And through the use of Central Banking combined with fiat money, your property rights can be eroded silently and with no transparency.
Is it a coincidence that every country in the world has a central bank? That every country has fiat money? That the central bank heads meet and collaborate, without any oversight from their own government or media?
Or is it a surprise that Bilderberg has met for decades, with media moguls in attendance, and it was never ever mentioned, let alone covered? The most powerful political and economic celebs get together, and no one in the media shows up to take one photo?
Now, I don’t believe it is “the Jews” behind it, or the lizard people from another galaxy. But to assume that power attracts only the incompetent, and that power can never organize is foolish and naive. No one (intelligent) believes that Bush ran the US for the last 8 years. The man was barely capable of making toast for breakfast.
You forgot,
Napoleonic wars: Congress System.
To have a viable conspiracy theory you have to have two criteria.
Someone has a goal of achieving X. (in this case NWO)
They are hiding, conspiring, their true agenda.
I think occam’s razor is a great tool for the NWO theories.
Which is more plausible.
or
Ixtellor
Kook. I’m calling Homeland Security. I’m sure glad President Obama got elected so anti-intellectual knuckledraggers like you can be put in their place.
Lots of people have come forward. It’s just buried or under-reported. And no, I am not going to waste time digging it up. You can google for this stuff, a lot of it is out there. Lies, speculation and the truth.
Sure, and the Federal Reserve was formed because the Banks were out of control. [:P] Central Banking is cartelization. These massive trade unions, seek to establish legal harmonization, so that they function as a bureaucratic arm, above elected government. That’s why there is pushback in the EU over bogus stuff like the Lisbon Treaty. People are starting to realize that their MPs are ineffective, and the EU bureaucracy is writing all of the law, that supercedes all domestic law.
If you have any sense of nationalism or patriotism, you want to resist these international or multinational bodies writing laws, that you cannot vote on, cannot repeal and cannot escape. That, is tyranny.
Funny thing today..Were watching a PBS documentary video on Nixon..the phrase “Nixon invisioned a New World Order..” in it.
Do you watch the news? Practically every leader world wide has suddenly started to call for a ‘New World Order’, Sarkozy and others want a new international financial system with a world central bank… Not sure how that fufills hidden agenda, it’s all coming out not, because they are just about to “solve” this “crisis”.
It’s blatant… and if you didn’t prefer to remain ignorant, and actually attempted to research ANY of this, that much would be clear.
What’s further obvious and profoundly sad, is that you refused to address any of my previous points - or even approach the matter with an open mind, subject to reason. Read the material, it comes from PRIMARY sources, until then - enjoy ignorance.
Ireland is part of the union.
Yes, otherwise why would they be voting on the Lisbon Treaty, which is a continuation of the Amsterdam and Nice treaties.
Instead of “joining the Union”, I should have said: “further political union” - i.e adopting the European Constitution, as the countries system of supreme law.
"The decision places massive doubt over the future of the pact designed to bring more European integration.
All 27 European member states have to ratify the treaty for it to go come into force next year. So far it has been approved by 18 members including Britain, but Ireland is the only country to put it to a public vote.
The leaders of the 26 other member states watched with dismay as Ireland voted “no”, a decision that will inevitably lead to much infighting and bickering across Europe." Link.
The day the Ireland public voted “No”, was a great day for Liberty and humanity. Thanks for pointing that out btw.
