Some thoughts on the New World Order

Miscellaneous General
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I know most people on these forums will lose me on this post, but I’m writing to clear my head and get my own thoughts straight on the subject.

First of all, I believe there is some sort of group of fools who are pursuing the construction of some kind of “New World Order” and have been working at it for a very long time - at least a century.

The New World Order is a vehicle for the Elites to push their agenda. As always, they wrap their agenda with an outer shell which will be the “scapegoat” if they have to hit the Eject button on any particular project. That outer shell are the people we see who have talked about the NWO and the groups they are affiliated with: George Bush I and II, Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, etc. etc.

So, in this regard, the NWO also acts as a blind or “large motion” that conceals the small motion (principle of the magician). The small motion is the actual agenda of the Elites.

The ruling class actually has a very simple agenda which can be deduced via praxeological methods. First of all, they live at our expense and they intend to continue doing so. So, the first item on their agenda is to make sure we pay our taxes. Second, the ruling Elites have always maintained their power the scepter and the crown. The scepter is punishment. The crown is reward. To keep power, they must hold onto or increase their power to punish and their power to reward.

Some people get confused about the power to punish. They think that the ruling Elites have a “depopulation agenda”. This is not true. The Elites do intend to control the population but they are more interested in controlling the composition of the population than they are in controlling its absolute magnitude. They are as keenly aware as any economist that a larger population can produce more wealth (which can translate into technological advances that can extend and improve the quality of their own lives) than a smaller population.

What they really need is the ability to instill terror into the average Joe at the thought of breaking even a petty rule. The more terrified Joe is at breaking even a petty rule, the more unthinkable it is that Joe could break a really big rule, such as committing treason. This makes Joe pliable and receptive to commands.

But having a bunch of Joes willing to follow commands is not enough, you have to elicit motivation and productivity out of your terrified Joes. So, you must have the ability to confer rewards upon the most productive Joes. Productivity is not measured by the ruling Elite in the way that an economist would measure productivity, however.

Productivity is measured in the same way that a CEO measures the productivity of his managers… in terms of their ability to induce others to be productive. This is a leveraged multiplier. Hence, the power to reward turns on rewarding those who reward the right people. This is why the ruling Elite need each other and need a class of kept politicians and pundits who identify those Joes who are deserving of rewards from the Establishment by virtue of their exemplary loyalty and commitment to the Establishment.

Hence, the ruling Elites are not interested in wrecking the global economy, even to institute their wet dream of a global government and world central bank. Instead, the ruling Elites crash economies to punish them and to reward their loyal supporters. Businessmen who are loyal servants to the Establishment are given the inside scoop on where to invest in order to avoid and even profit from crashes (e.g. Goldman Sachs). Those nations which are antagonistic to the interests of the ruling Elite are punished by engineered economic collapse. The United States experienced this in 2008 and will experience it again in the short-term.

The ruling Elite used to control the oil-fields of Iran through the Shah but lost them when the Iranian revolution swept through. The ruling Elite used to control India before it gained its independence. They still control Pakistan and they still control Saudi Arabia. They are agitating for war with Iran and they continue to terrorize India through the proxy of Pakistan.

The Arab Spring was engineered by Western (and Israeli) intelligence agencies and carried out with the assistance of a “professional revolutionary consultancy” called Otpor! based in Serbia. This group has connections with Soros and, by proxy, the Rothschilds.

It is my view that we are, in fact, going to end up in a large-scale war in the near future.

I believe that this was baked in the cake since 2001. The basic idea is this: stage a terrorist attack and begin implementing a cascade of legal and financial changes in preparation for the Big Change which is a global tax which was to have been established at the UN climate conference in Copenhagen in 2009. The 2008 economic collapse was to act as a catalyst for the financial controls that would be necessary for this global tax.

Plans can always go wrong and I believe that the plan from the start was that if, for some reason, the something goes wrong, go to war. Doesn’t matter who the war is against. Doesn’t matter whether it’s won or lost, all that matters is that there is another major war to, once again, prove that we still need a global government and ohmigod it’s 2012 and we still don’t have a global government, what are we, a bunch of cavemen?

The 2009 conference was shot down by an insider who released the CRU emails proving that the climate numbers were being actively manipulated. A lot of people got a lot of egg on their face and this ultimately rendered moot the 2001 attacks which are now largely a waste. So, the Elites initiated an abort-mission and “killed” Osama bin Laden 18 months later. This was a major step as OBL was the Emmanuel Goldstein of the 2001-2009 push.

Beginning in April 2010, the ruling Elites struck back at the defector beginning with the Deepwater Horizon incident. Throughout 2010, I crawled the news and found an aberrant number of oil platform explosions - the PEMCO plant in Mexico experienced a massive explosion that virtually destroyed it. There was a second oil platform accident in the Gulf just a few months later (didn’t receive as much press as the Deepwater Horizon), there was a major platform accident off the coast of Chile, a Chinese oil platform experienced a major accident, among others. Just from April to the end of 2010.

At the end of 2010, the so-called “Arab Spring” revolutions began. One after another, the regimes in oil-bearing Arab countries began toppling like dominos. It is no secret that the US oil industry had close ties with all these regimes. Mubarak was virtually a CIA puppet. This is a continuation of the retaliation by the ruling Elites against the oil interests which defected and shot down the Copenhagen accord in 2009.

The culmination of all this will be war, not to win anything, but simply to “push the reset button” on the global political order while the plans are laid for the next grand scheme to implement world government. I hope I’m wrong but the dots keep connecting.

Clayton -

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If you give links to evidence, your argument will be more likely to persuade. Without linked sources, you appear to be tying many unrelated events into a plot by unidentified powerful people.

Consider 9/11. There has been much unsupported commentary about it. Someone heard this or that, and these unverified anecdotes are the basis of much opinion. In contrast, this timeline gives a news source for each claim. It shows that there were some suspicious activities occurring that have yet to be well explained.

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I’ve documented some of the stuff about oil platforms and the breakdown of the Copenhagen agreement on my blog. It would be nice if I had the time to put together a detailed timeline like the one you linked to but I just don’t have the free time.

Clayton -

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I think the depopulation agenda is real. Otherwise what’s with all the eco-concern about overpopulation? To the point of sterilising people? Not that they’re “the elites” (the western elites anyway), but why does China have a one-child policy? Are they just economically dumb?

More people only means more wealth if there’s a free market, which is really what these people are trying to avoid. A planned economy suffers from structural inefficiencies which are exacerbated with scale… Socialism is basically the family/clan idea stretched to numbers it can’t encompass.

From the point of view of an economist, “wealth” is everything that everyone perceives to have value. He’s neutral. From the point of view of the elites, wealth is what they perceive to have value.

It seems you’re suggesting that the homicidal maniac should let his victim live, because surely any rational person knows that getting along in life is better than that…

You’re not accounting for the fact that these people don’t have empathy. That to them, suffering, deprivation, and indeed the very act of homicide itself might have psychic value. If your hell is their heaven, then they will act to ease their discomfort by increasing yours.

Socialism does not “work” - i.e. remain stable - when there are uncontrolled variables, and population is a pretty damned important variable. Too many people are too difficult to control.

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It’s part of the green agenda to bring about a global tax and bring the (relatively anarchic) oil powers to heel.

The ruling elites are not just homicidal maniacs… they’re slaveholders. You don’t get ahead by indiscriminately murdering your slaves, even if you do get a kick out of murdering the occasional slave.

No doubt, but I don’t think they want to kill off 95% of the Earth’s population, as the sociopathic megalomaniac Ted Turner wants to do.

You’re forgetting that socialism is a means to an end, not an end in itself. The ruling Elites never bothered much about social welfare before the 20th century. They would like us to believe that they’ve become “enlightened” and have had a change of heart and realized it’s up to them to make sure we’re taken care of. This is all a bunch of BS.

The purpose of socialism is to pacify the masses and to set the productive class at odds with the parasitic class and let them fight between themselves. While it is true that the ruling Elites have a control streak, what they really want is to live at our expense, our welfare be damned. The only reason they care to control the economy is so they can fleece more from us in the form of taxes. The more open and bare the accounting books are to the eyes of the State, the bigger the scoop the State can take from our wealth. Socialism/communism is just the limiting case of this (I wish that libertarians would point this out more often).

I think that the capacity of the ruling Elite to rule over very large populations is underestimated.

As far as depopulation, the primary benefit is that it increases the average wealth of the citizenry. Note that the average European had a higher income and was wealthier after the second world war than before it. A larger percentage of people had died than wealth had been destroyed. Do the math. China has essentially accomplished the same thing that Europe did with two world wars… without the world wars.

Clayton -

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That’s climate change. They are related, I guess, since more people = more carbon, but the big thing is that we’re supposedly going to use up all the Earth’s resources and be screwed, global warming or no global warming.

And with regards to the climate change meme specifically, I don’t think that a carbon credits ponzi scheme is all there is to it… They’re saying that developing countries must not be allowed to become developed, or there will be global catastrophe. That’s outright prohibition of economic activity in the world’s poorest places; they’re actually flaying the sheep and not just fleecing it.

A valid point, although if they’re only supposed to be doing it “occasionally”, I’d call the last century a pretty hectic binge…

However, these are the sort of people who would win a baking contest by sabotaging everyone else’s entries… They see nothing wrong with killing slaves they don’t think they can control in order to achieve the goal of owning everyone.

You are not going to run CNN if you don’t parrot their plan… I think there is a strong transhumanist element to it. The automation of labour. I know that the fear of jobs disappearing to machines is unfounded if you’re talking about a free market, because ultimately it just means that people have to work less and will have more time to spend on higher and more pleasant persuits, but if these are slaves you’re talking about, why would the owner want to keep them around to cause trouble?

I just use “socialism” to mean the system by which everything is owned by a single group. That’s what the elites want. Obviously the rhetoric behind it is rubbish… And can vary wildly, from Hitler’s national socialism, to Russian Bolshevism to all the flavours of “democratic socialism” in the West, including the “Green” variety, to the religiously-inspired Zionist socialism of Israel, to the race-based socialism of Apartheid South Africa.

von Mises did write fairly convincingly that it is what all interventionist policies tend towards, flavour-of-the-week ideologies be damned.

The constraints are those inherent to central planning. There is no reason for this surplus of human resources to be kept around when their owners have no need of them.

A very big problem for the elites is that they are incapable of controlling the spread of information at the moment. You can’t have all these slaves sitting around with nothing better to do than realise that they need the elites even less than elites need them. You won’t be an “elite” for very long with that attitude.

So doesn’t that prove my point? If everything is really owned by the elites - they’re more than half-way there, and it’s certainly what they’re planning - then what they dish out to the citizenry as rations is their expense. Surely they aren’t going to subsidise a larger population than would be most efficient in terms of their plans?

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I think you are overestimating these so called “elite”. In 1979 “they” didn’t see the Iranian Revolution coming or Deng Xiaoping awakening China from his century old nightmare. In either case there was nothing they could do but play damage control. In the ‘80s they didn’t see the Soviet Union falling apart like a cheap Russian car: in fact I remember very well Jane’s (the famous defense publication) inventing all sorts of “horror stories” about the Reds’ non-existing military technology to keep people scared and compliant. It was a bluff Ike had already called in the late '50s but well kept from the general public. And go back just a couple of years and they didn’t see their crown jewel, the EMU, being shaken to the top. In fact the collapse of the European house of cards was so unexpected there isn’t even a back-up plan to fall back to. The best these “elites” can do is to defer the inevitable by kicking the can.

But I do agree with you on two counts. The first is the whole Global Warming agenda was initiated precisely with the aim of striking emerging countries (lChina, India, Brazil, Indonesia etc) at their heart before they had a chance of challenging the status quo. Representitives from these countries made this very clear to US and EU delegates, who were quite surprised somebody had figured it out. The second is I also smell a big war in the making. I personally cannot say who will play the role of Eurasia and who will play the role of Oceania but whatever the outcome it will be the end of the US as the world’s sole superpower.

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I don’t attribute omniscience to the ruling elites, that’s the David Icke types who do that.

I don’t believe the 2008 economic collapse was a surprise to everyone - Goldman Sachs certainly wasn’t surprised.

The point of this post is that I see some of the supposedly disconnected events such as 9/11 and the housing collapse (and even the Arab Spring) as connected at some level or another. The problem is that those in power deliberately conceal their motions with a thick fog of disinformation which makes it very difficult to know exactly who is doing what. But this is where praxeological methods are helpful because there is a baseline minimum that we can know about what our rulers are doing and why, no matter how little accurate information we have about their particular actions.

Yeah, I think that much is clear. Jim Rogers has it right: move to Singapore and teach your children to speak Chinese.

Clayton -

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I don’t buy that “they” wouldn’t want depopulation. You assume that they care about making anymore wealth. I mean I think it’s safe to assume that if they do exist that they probably believe they have all of the wealth they would ever need. Not only that but controlling a smaller population is much easier than a large one.

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I seem to be way outnumbered here. I think I have a fairly “progressive” mindset seeing the worst behind us, and more and more nonsense getting filtered out as more and more obviousness makes itself manifest - If I could really speculate a type of “market anarchy” society would be a type of obviousness that I wouldn’t be surprised cropping up within a few hundred years, assuming we are still relatively the same biological beings.

Either way, I think all the main wars and ideological factors have been essentially sorted out as far as sociology, ideology, and economy within relevant people and relevant cultures. If you really look at it, the major fighting is nothing more than nitpicking factors in determining the best way liberalism operates. For us the worst thing is European Social Dems and the fact they outnumber us handily- which isn’t all too bad a scenario if you ask me.

Not to say there won’t be “hiccups” peaks and valleys along the way, but for the most part I just ee mountains out of molehills

I think the most important issue is language techniques by bored and privliged classes upping their esoteric “social currency” and trying to inflate their comparative advantage via subsidy. And even here I don’t see it as that much of a threat.

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@vive la insurrection

I’m on the fence about that. I believe that it all depends now upon where the next few years take the United States ideologically as well as generally what happens in terms of global warming/resources in the long term.

The current crisis is convincing people of the fact that capitalism needs more control which can lead to bad places pretty quickly considering the current sizes of governments and their relative instability. There’s also the fact that the tea party and Occupy movements have a chance of bringing the United States into a populist hell hole.

With that being said social libertarianism is increasingly popular, libertarianism is stronger than it has been since the classical liberal era, and developements in technology favor opinions about decentralization, although certainly allow for governments gaining a huge deal of control.

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I think they are quite powerful. Simply look at the schooling system: The children are controlled by teachers, who are controlled by principals, who are controlled by district administrators, who are controlled by state administrators, who are controlled by federal administators, who are controlled by the president, who is controlled by his handlers, who are controlled by the elite that Calyton is talking about. School children go from preschool to elementary school, to middle school, to high school, to college, and then end up working in the corporatist system or otherwise work in the statist environment, both of which are controlled by the elites. When school children go home, after being in school all day, they have homework that takes up many hours, and then watch television (which is also controlled by the elites), or are on very few palces on the Internet, which are also basically controlled* by the elites (i.e. Facebook, YouTube, etc.), or are involved in sports (which is an extension of the schooling system).

Also, I don’t think that the elites are any brighter, smarter or whatever than the top-of-line CEO, but they specialize in a different field; statism. But I do also think that they agree with ATBC (at least some variant of it) and with with Mises’ criticisms of socialism. However, this is not to say that they always promote free markets and freedom for the good of humanity, which they obviously do not. Instead, they use this knowledge to their benefit, by routinely openning and closing markets. They understand that a heavily controlled economy with eventually fail, and that their subjective wants will not be met by the market; however, they also understand that by having a completely free economy, that they won’t be able to live off of others. This is why I think, as Calyton points out, that they have been trying to take evermore control of the United States by monopolizing industries to their benefit and closing its borders. But they are also openning up China and Russia (and now Cuba) so that their freer economies can produce wealth that the elites will eventually attempt to control.

This is also why I think that ultra-connected people like Jim Rogers and Marc Faber are in Asia. They, via their connections and their studies, know what is going on–that some economies will be opened and that other will be closed–and they have positioned themselves to benefit (as anyone else would).

(I want to write more, but I’ll end here.)

*I think Clayton and I go on for a very long time about what we think goes on behind the scenes at Facebook and Google.

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  • I think the ruling elites understand the value of technological progress… in fact, analysis of the increasing monopolization of research dollars through public grants might be able to show that a lot of this research has to do with either furthering war-making technology or large-cap life-extension and quality-of-life improvement techniques. By “large cap”, I mean that research is probably skewed towards really expensive treatments that decrease the risk of disease or increase the quality-of-life of the few who can afford it or are politically connected over research into more modest medical goals that would decrease the costs of providing medical care to the average person (which is where the market would tend to direct research).

  • I am much less sunny than vive about the state of enlightenment of our rulers. I perceive in Facebook, YouTube and Google a triumvirate of “social dirt-mining” tools for the Establishment. Facebook is explicit on insisting that you must use your real name. All of these services attempt to force you to link your account to a phone number. Soon, I predict saying “no” will not even be an option if you want to continue using their services.

Early versions of Internet Explorer left out a fairly obvious browsing feature that was only added after open-source browsers added it: turning off the browsing history. Sure, the primary use is for browsing porn but it has many other legitimate security and privacy uses, as well. The iPhone tracks your location even when you disable GPS services and stores this data in a file that can be opened by someone who knows how (i.e. law-enforcement). I don’t believe these “features” are there by accident. NSA and other spook agencies work with private industry to be sure that your consumer activities will “leave footprints” to the maximum extent possible.

Why are the ruling Elite so interested in our dirty secrets and our footprints? I do not believe that we are really a more “liberal” society and this is nowhere more obvious than the obsession of the media and the public over the mostly irrelevant sexual pecadillos of politicians. But the same principle of “power through dirt” works on private individuals as it does with public figures. When you’re arrested for smoking pot and the DA pulls you into a conference and says “look, we can try you for possession and so on but we don’t want to waste the public’s money doing that… you know what you did was against the law so why don’t you just plead guilty now, we’ll offer you a reasonable sentence”… if you reply “no” you might get something like “Well, see, here’s the deal, it isn’t just your smoking habits… we did a quick search of the Digital Crimes database and we know you’ve visited some, shall we say, marginally legal websites… We’d like to show leniency in exchange for your cooperation but we can’t make any guarantees if you’re not going to cooperate with the justice process.” You get the idea.

  • If you’re the ruler and your plans for new economic controls fail, you can always push the big red DO NOT PUSH button… aka war. I believe their most recent plot has failed for whatever reason and the next step is to seek war. I hope they do not succeed at that, either.

Clayton -

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I think the aggregate data is also very useful to them because they can see the trends. They can see what public opinion is like after a certain event, say an oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico or the death of political enemy in Northern Africa. The technology for this exist throughout the tech industry and I find it completely plausible that they exist at Facebook and Google–the public APIs only give out certain data, but there could be a special API that is being “tested” “in conjuction” with the military that gives the military access to non-anonymous data for the purpose of “combating cybercrime.”

With regards to funding, I think advertising serves as a very convenient method for the military to fund Facebook and Google or any other company. The military could spend billions to advertise on Facebook and, to the public, it would simply look as if the military is simply trying to recruit on a website that has a lot of members. However, the huge benefit of this method is that, in the minds of the public, it does not look as if the military is subsidizing companies that data mine the public and to track and find people for persecution.

Even if am an wrong, this is what I would do if I was them. I hope haven’t given them any ideas; however, given that they are the state, they might not have thought of this.

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Muffin, you think that the elites recognize that the outcome which Austrians suggest is the most desirable? I was thinking about that myself. What made me consider the notion was the historical campaign against free markets. Throughout the history of capitalism there are stones which must be flipped, burdens of proof shifted from the markets to the state. Standard Oil, Great depression, housing bubble, etc. Anti-market philosophy is rampant and coincides neatly with socialist philosophy.

Did the Rockefeller foundation ever fund some historical analysis thinktank? Popular opinion is designed to require that an intelligent and learned person be able to deconstruct the common myths about markets and communicate somewhat difficult concepts in order that pro-market feeling be advanced. It’s just too good for them to have libertarianism completely buried at the fringes.

I wonder about the origins of John Keynes. It’s widely known that he was a eugenicist. I think he was also pretty tight with Harry White, founder of IMF and World Bank. Know that when I put forth these ideas I’m not claiming that Keynes knew or intended to bring harm on people. The elites know how to create social atmospheres, and subspheres within subspheres where all kinds of ideas might sound ‘generally beneficial’, or something to that effect. I think he may have been a pawn.

I’m mostly just ruminating, throwing things out there and seeing if someone has anything to see about it. It’s nice to be able to participate in this type of discussion with Austrian leaning thinkers.

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Keynes could have been a pawn just as is Bernanke. I think Bernanke believes what he preaches and he is used by the elite to serve their purposes; that is why he is chariman of the Fed, instead of someone who has to pretend and lie about what he believes while being grilled by Ron Paul. Bernanke could have been completely honest when he said that (he believes that) the Fed holds gold because of tradition; that pause he gave might have been completely honest and was because he actually had to think about why the Fed holds gold.

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Kakugo,

On the elites not foreseeing the collapse of the Soviet Union I would point you in the direction of the Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn who predicted almost all the moves in the final years of the USSR in his book the Perestroika Deception. He argues it was their long term plan, since Kruschev, to pretend to the West they didn’t exist so that they could continue their plans of World Revolution underground.

As an aside the Communist party in Russia has gained ground in recent elections. See here.

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Yeah, I’m skeptical of the idea that the collapse of the Soviet Union was somehow completely unforeseen. While the collapse of central planning was a surprise to the mainstream economics and political departments, I doubt it was a surprise to the ruling elites.

Let me put it this way - you should assume that the ruling elites understand everything you do about Austrian economics and more. Unlike you and I, they are actually pulling the levers and getting the feedback… you think they couldn’t figure out the Drug War was never going to “work” long before Nixon declared it? Of course it wasn’t going to work and of course they knew that (where “they” means the actual rulers, the “owners of America” in the words of George Carlin, not the petty bureaucrats such as the POTUS).

If you look objectively at the current narrative surrounding the US, it’s basically a negative form of communist propaganda: capitalism has been wonderful for the unprecedented and unique period of growth since the mid-18th century but it’s unsustainable, it leads to foreign aggression through an unbridled weapons industry and economic collapses through unregulated financial industry, not to mention destruction of the environment. The foreign policy of the United States is creating an entire generation of single-mindedly anti-American youths who, when they come of age, will predictably be hell-bent on the destruction of the US at any cost, even the loss of whatever little of their life is left after having their limbs and faces blown off by US bombs dropped from Predator drones.

It is my view that there is an alien force that is controlling the foreign policy agenda and financial regulations within the United States and this alien force has a simple strategy: keep blowing bubbles in the economy and keep expanding the military-industrial complex until the whole thing explodes like an overblown balloon. I suspect that the domestic power structure has unwittingly cooperated in its own demise. The welfare wing of the US power structure has been lured by the promise of unlimited social programs under the dollar hegemony created by the warfare wing of the US power structure which has been enchanted by the promise of finally fulfilling all its Cold War fantasies … the Pentagon is literally trying to build a global military grid not unlike SkyNet from the Terminator movies.

In the end, both wings are dupes. When the edifice begins to crumble, they’re going to see the earth open up underneath their feet and swallow them whole. America is, in many ways, in a similar situation as Austria before WWI. Austria was the global center of art, science, culture, finance, you name it. They were liberal, free-market and vibrant. The currency was debauched, the country went to war, the Empire was disbanded and eventually the country was leveled during the second World War. Only a ghost of the old Austria remains today.

Clayton -

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Herer is a post i put up on G+, on your war sugject Clayton. I’m with you on the elites.

Has anyone else noticed that the world is on the brink of a serious war? Russia and China have both (this last week) told the US and NATO that unilateral action against Iran and Syria is out of the question for them.

So how does the West react?

The U.S., of course, already has sanctions all over Iran, but France and the U.K. withdraw ambassadors and their families and both call of oil embargoes and a freeze on Iranian central bank assets, just days after the U.S recalled ambassadors and families from Syria (? [unapproving look]). Think if the world decided to freeze the Federal reserve’s assets? We’d be in the streets within hours of interest rates going up on a whim like that… This is serious s&!t, people.

Russia has military bases in Syria; Iran is allied with Syria. Syria and Iran are supporters of Lebanon and Hezbollah, bringing in the question of Israeli safety. Of which, of course, there is none. This is another fight the U.S. is going to have to support and contribute to. Israel must abide by it’s 1967 borders if it expects to see its centennial.

China has taken the side of Pakistan and over the summer donated over 100 dogfight worthy jet aircraft to them, while at the same time the Saudis and the Pakistanis make a nuclear umbrella pact. Meaning that Pakistan will protect the Saudis with their threat on nuclear retaliation.

The U.S. is only still supporting the Saudi regime with token efforts, meaning money, but little diplomatic support. Saudi Arabia has since the beginning of the Arab Spring had riots in Bahrain, Qatar, and Yemen (and itself) and has only had covert CIA drone support from the U.S.; also the U.S. media has refrained from reporting these things. But, the rebellions are all Shia based and therefore on the side of the Iranian government.

Certainly there will be a conflict between Iran/Syria with Turkey and there fore a conflict between Russia and the U.S.

Pakistan and Iran are not friendly either and will provide a complicated strategy of walking on egg shells for Russia and China. China and India have had their conflicts and not that long ago.

We will need troops all over and at a time where we are mathematically bankrupt. The FED is currently buying 80% of the U.S. bonds for sale… Russia knows this, China knows this even Hugo “f_____” Chavez knows this. We better hope the people in those countries don’t hate our f_____ guts (like I would) since we stomped all over world progress in the name of globalism and international corporate fascism for so long…

With the Mexican border as open as it is we are begging for bombs to get brought up by some unknown terrorist group. And if our ever so longing and sacrosanct government can’t shoot down four hijacked airlines while they fly around for hours above our homes on a (seemingly) random Tuesday morning, what hope do they have of warding off Russian or Chinese jets?

Israel, Pakistan, and India are the nations that have nukes and have not signed the most recent non-proliferation treaty. And, in my opinion are the most dangerous (in that order) because of the loopholes that are written in for the countries that do sign. If a country did sign it then they promised to not nuke other countries with nukes, but if a country does have nukes and refrained from singing it they implicitly state that they might.

Who knows about the Arab Spring states. My guess is that they won’t be fans of the U.S./Israel. I also am not familiar with the alliances of most of the Central Asian countries, there are quite a few and they have alliances with all three main parties.

The geopolitical field is going to absolutely dissolve in a very destructive way. It will be a chaotic war which will involve so much s(&t going on from so many angles and interests it will be unmanageable. China and Russia may have only a tenuous ceasefire due to the conflicts with India’s support of Iranian nuclear development and the Iranian and Indian mutual enemy of Pakistan.

China>Pakistan>Saudi Arabia>Syria>Iran>Lebanon
vs.
The U.S.> (Most of) Europe>Israel>Turkey>India
vs.
Russia>Syria>Iran>Lebanon

(My guesses)

This was written before the British/Iranian embassy debacle and before the UN/NATO bombing into Pakistan that Obama is refusing to apologize for. Sh*t is getting real. Oh yea, the Chinese held a joint military drill with the Pakistanis responding to the NATO aggression on the Af/Pak border. I hope to God we don’t try to “bin laden raid” the Pakistani nuclear arsenal.

And these military patrols were gonna start seeing on the streets…

Hope to see some of you in the detention centers, I’ll be finding a pyro based science experiment for my conscription receipt; we’ll form a prison rebellion!

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@Aris: If the US/NATO continue on their foolish path of aggression, they will be the Nazis of WWIII. That is, they will lose and they will be remembered in the history books as the aggressive fascists. Here’s a hypothetical scenario:

  • US declares that “all options have failed in preventing Iranian nuclear weapons, the only remaining option however much we hesitate to use it, is force”

  • US fires on, sinks Iranian naval vessel

  • Israel/NATO fly sorties into Iran to “bomb the nuclear sites” (of course)

  • US media reports this as “precisions strikes” on “select sites concerned only with Uranium enrichment processes that can only be used for nuclear weapons”… the reality on the ground is much more gruesome

  • The Iranian people are inflamed to the boiling point

  • China and Russia issue statements of solidarity with Iran and warn US to stop any further aggression

  • Iran launches retaliatory strikes against Israel, US bases in Afghanistan and Iraq and US naval assets, including Diego Garcia

  • US media plays this as first blood and calls for full-scale retaliation against Iran, even if that means war with Russia and China too

  • US military draft is enacted

  • US media begins playing the conflict like it’s Iraq 3.0… but something’s wrong. The US keeps losing battles it should be winning. Whole aircraft carrier fleets are going down in flames sunk by tiny little Iranian speedboats, our robotics are useless, our fighter jets take on heroic odds but eventually get shot down, driving out ELINT and bomber planes. The axiomatic US air superiority is gone and, with it, any semblance of the Pentagon’s comically named “full-spectrum dominance.”

  • Interest on US debt skyrockets. There is a global flight out of dollars. US prices for basic necessities go through the stratosphere. All the “concentration camps” and shiny new riot control equipment of the police are like so many props… lit on fire and shot to shit by raging mad Americans who - in addition to having their national pride wounded in an unending string of defeats at the hands of a bunch of “backwater goat herders” - are starving in the streets.

The military draft is too little, too late. US forces are driven back and dealt resounding, Pearl Harbor-scale defeats… not just one, many. Internal order has broken down, productivity has ground to a halt. Just maintaining the equipment - let alone bringing new equipment online - has become almost infeasible despite 90% of GDP being beaten out of the public to fund the last gasp war.

  • Eventually, hostilities come to an end - possibly after the territorial US has been invaded and subjugated - and a treaty is called for that will require America to pay reparations - in gold - to China and Russia (to be managed by the BIS, of course). The US is reconstructed under the watchful eye of Russia and China, complete with Chinese bases to ensure “compliance” with the terms of the peace treaty and, of course, for the safety of US citizens. The US is removed from the Security Council and becomes just another vote in the UN.

Next target… China.

Clayton -