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There’s nothing wrong with my mind. Drop the condescending tone.

And then prove that religious scams are not scams. And stop pretending that you are above common mortals…unless you think that hearing voices in your head makes you ‘special’ (as opposed to simply delusional).

False. Stop lying.

Proofs please. I can believe anything I want, but this is not about ‘believing’ but about proving certain claims.

I want genuine proofs. Provide them or admit you are a liar.

google proves the existence of god!!! ROFL!!!

does google also prove that jesus walked on water eh?

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I think Paul wants in, 1 Corinthians 2:14:

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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I am an atheist and you sound like a cultist nut to me, OQ.

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@ Michael K - who sounds like a cultist nut?

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OQ - OntologicalQuandry.

Libertarianism tends to attract irrational people who want to make a cult out of “rationality”. I would choose a catholic over a randian any day…

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would you choose an inquisition over a novel?

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A cult of rationality is pretty stupid. However I would love it if someone started a Church of Libertarianism. It could be like the UU church, allowing members to decide on their own whether they believe in God.

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Quote by JakobM"There’s nothing wrong with my mind. Drop the condescending tone.

And then prove that religious scams are not scams. And stop pretending that you are above common mortals…unless you think that hearing voices in your head makes you ‘special’ (as opposed to simply delusional)."

Didn’t mean to come out and offend you, honestly, sorry if I sounded like I was condescending. But when I say you can’t wrap your mind around that concept that doesn’t mean you’re stupid or anything like that. I meant that you cannot comprehend the concept because you haven’t felt it. I didn’t understand it either until I did.

I told you over and over I’m not armed with logical proofs for God, I feel that its something you have to be emotionally connected to. lol, I told you I’m not hearing voices in my head, so I already know you don’t have any idea of what I’m talking about when I said I “felt” God. So can you agree with that? I never said I’m hearing voices in my head, silly. Its really hard to describe when something like this happens- I used to have no belief in God either, even though I was raised Muslim I rejected it growing up because it felt like bullshit to me. It has nothing to do with feeling “special”, or anything like that. Its a humbling experience I don’t think of myself as better than you or anyone else. I didn’t say I’m better than you or above common mortals, you’re just putting words in my mouth because from what it sounds like, you are personally offended by the idea of God. What am I supposed to do about that?

Quote by JakobM “False. Stop lying.”

Nope. Its true. What do I have to gain by lying about it. It doesn’t matter to me whether you believe in God or not, or why you think people came to believe in God or not. That’s how you feel.

Quote by JakobM:Proofs please. I can believe anything I want, but this is not about ‘believing’ but about proving certain claims.

I want genuine proofs. Provide them or admit you are a liar."

Its not gonna happen man, at least I won’t be providing any logical proofs and i’ve said that a bunch of times so whats the point in repeating that question. I’m telling you here and now, that if you want to know about the existence of God you have to let go of your ego and open your heart and you’ll be able to feel that divine tranquility, one of the paths(although not exactly voluntary) to get to that state of mind and feeling is to go through intense mental suffering, so bad that the ego is shattered and acceptance of reality comes about…if that makes any sense. You have to completely let go of “thinking”- be able to empty your mind so there’s no more mental chatter about anything…and you are just “being”. That might sound like “Just sitting around doing nothing” but its not.

Lol this probably all sounds like some esoteric mumbo jumbo but that was my experience- and I completely understand if you don’t relate to it or really care about that. But I emphasize that its something that must be felt. Its really hard for me to describe it myself because it makes less sense when I try to put it into words. Anyway, I don’t think you’ll accept any of what I said because it conflicts with how you view the world. That’s why I don’t think there’s any point or think you want genuine answers. It sounds like you just wanna be able to say “YEP YOU’RE ALL LIARS. WHERE ARE MY PROOFS?”. I mean more than once you said that I was hearing voices in my head when I never said I did…why did you think I was hearing voices? What are you trying to accomplish? If you don’t think there’s a God and that makes you happy then be happy man.

If you’re upset because people have tried to shove religion down your throat and you’re sick of hearing about it- I understand and people shouldn’t be doing that anyway.

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I would rather encounter a christian libertarian than an atheist socialist. At least my freedoms and liberties will be intact.

I am an atheist. Many of the good folks at Mises are theists. But it doesn’t bother me. They don’t try to convert me, I don’t try to deconvert them. The common cause and our bond is libertarianism. I come here for libertarianism and AE. I go to the friendly atheist, atheistspot.com or The Center for Inquiry for my atheist kicks.

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- nirgrahamUK: “would you choose an inquisition over a novel?”

The novels in question are pretty painful. Maybe people who pretend to be catholics for political gain should be forced to read them…

Seriously, though - propensity for religion is clearly an evolutionary adaptation that most people poses.

Catholics have managed to come up with a pretty consistent and thought-promoting strain that does not interfere much, if at all, with rational though and action at large. Only a tiny minority of people can be truly non-religious - accepting religiocity of others as an inherent feature of the reality, tolerant, not driven to proselytize, etc. Others just can’t - so atheism becomes a religion for them for the lack of other. Rabid ravings of some in this very thread are a clear example of obsessive and irrational behavior.

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I don’t about your god, but my god, the flying spaghetti monster, definitely exists.

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The point is pretty obvious. You only have your personal experience - an experience that can be classified as ‘religious’…or as something else - something way less flattering.

But at any rate, your ‘mystic’ experience has nothing to with the problem of proving that the claims made by organized scams like judaism, islam, catholicism and similar cults, are true.

So, are you a person who has had some weird experience, or are you a muslim saying that all the lies propagated by islam are not lies? Forget about the logical proof for the existence of god - this is mostly a historical issue.

The matter at hand is the lies of organized religion, and the political implications of the wide-scale fraud that organized religion entails.

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You can go after religion, JakobM, but you’re not doing it as a libertarian, you’re doing it as an atheist.

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bloom, again, what do you know about libertarianism?

edit : I never said I was a libertarian by the way.

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Apparently more than you.

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Yep. I can tell that you know a lot about libertarianism, especially from your comments on the thread about mass murder.

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I’m not a libertarian. But I know what it means to be one.

EDIT: Ok, so you’re not a libertarian, but you’re an atheist. Fine, case closed.

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If it were up to you, would you ban religion/outlaw religious establishments?

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I might outlaw Jehovah’s Witnesses lol.

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That’s funny, I actually view JWs as the most libertarian of all the religions. They avoid collaboration with the state more than any other views.

. My gut feeling is that devout Muslims are the least libertarian, not that I have any objective metric to measure that. The whole thing with the cartoonist and Theo VG was very scary. Personally I wouldn’t want to live next to anyone who was willing to commit violence against blasphemers, so I would hope there would be a very judicious use of the exclusion principal against devout Muslims in gated communities and employment.