So then what explains some entities being created in 1913 and 1933, and others, such as USA inc, being created as late as 1989? What happened in 1989?
Conspiracy nonsense.
Government has the guns, while corporate America, bankers and all, does not. Government may serve special interests when it suits it to do so, but ultimately it doesn’t bow to anyone. Guns beat money, every time. Thats why it can be totally insolvent and just keep right on functioning - who is going to really try to collect on the loan?
Government does have guns, you are correct however, as in any Corporatist Government that serves corporate interests over the People then the equation becomes weighted on the side of the corporate interest…guns and all. Eventually, the maximum lifespan of the fiat currency system will be reached when the massive and irreversible debt siphons off more from the economy than the economy can produce…at that point it is a free-for-all…the system can only function for a short period, even with the guns, then the entire system, government and all, collapses under the weight of credit debt creation. We are already seeing that the system has reached its practical lifespan and is having difficulty with minor changes in the economy, such as small, and what would have been considered, at one time, insignificant interest rate hikes. We will now enter the period of the maximum possible lifespan when the system will begin experience widespread dislocations and failures, all the fiat money and guns in the world will not be able to stop it from happening.
Honestly, I am not really sure however, there is a possibility that such entities were re-incorporated in 89, for some reason, perhaps a change in by-laws, or it could be that there was simply a need to incorporate the USA in 89, one that is not evident.
I live in Delaware. Some of the adresses of those corporations are a five minute drive away from me.
Do you know what, if anything, is at these addresses?
Why are most cities incorporated? What does this mean?
Not at the moment, but I do intend to check it out very soon. I’ll let you know when I do.
From what I could read, incorporation is a legal term which has conditions applied, usually based on population size. Incorporation gives a city a bit more autonomy from state and county government bodies. Cities are usually part of a county, and in some cases are also a county.
Example: Philadelphia, PA is the city and the county; however, Pittsburgh, PA is the city, but the county it exists in is Allegheny County.
Incorporation is also not limited to cities. Towns and boroughs are also incorporated entities. It’s not a very complicated issue, but there is a lot written on it, so researching and reading are a bit tedious. (Lots of different authors writing basically the same thing.)
Hope that helped some.
I’ve come across that a number of times online, too, usually in researching various aspects of the income tax and tax laws.
Here’s an essay on the subject that you might find helpful: An Investigation into the Meaning of the Term “United States”
Do your own research on the validity of any of the claims or arguments in the document, of course. There are a number of other ones out there that have similar or supplemental material on the subject. This is pretty far down the rabbit hole in terms of conspiracy theory and secret history of the US.
And I don’t think there’s any question of whether the United States is bankrupt at this point. But, is it a corporation put together as described? I’m not 100% sold on that yet.
Hello Everybody, and my apologies for raising this dead threat again 
Anyway, This website looks like a “serious” page to discuss this interesting question.
USC (United States Code) Title 28 § 3002: Definition (15) states: (15) “United States” means— (A) a Federal corporation; (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or (C) an instrumentality of the United States.
UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) Article 9, § 9-307. LOCATION OF DEBTOR (h) states: (h) Location of United States. The United States is located in the District of Columbia.
Looks to me like the US is indeed a corporation located in the District of Columbia.
Also, take a look at these pages about the subject:
The United States Isn’t a Country — It’s a Corporation! or The Bankruptcy of the United States
There’s also a well made documentary available for free, made by famous director Aaron Russo about the illegal income tax and the Federal Reserve scam:
‘America: From Freedom To Fascism’
My Questions would be:
Is the United States a country or a corporation, or both?
Was it ever a country really, or just some agreement by law to get 50 souvereign States work together.
Also, I recently read somewhere that the state of Texas has to renew it’s agreement to be part of “the US” every year… (don’t know if this is actually done, or whatever…)
Best regards, RM
The very existance of a corporation is a government created privilege. A corporation, by definition, is a legally privileged institution. The corporation arose as a governmentally created construct. Corporations are extensions of the state. We’ve been through this before.
I wrote an article on the bankruptcy of the USA. The short answer is, yes, the USA is bankrupt. The long answer is that the bankruptcy of the USA is:
- Approximately 20 years from now, when the US dollar collapses in hyperinflation and is completely worthless.
- In 1971, when Nixon defaulted on the gold-redeemability of the dollar to foreign central banks.
- In 1933, when Roosevelt defaulted on the gold-redeemability of the dollar for US citizens and confiscated all the gold that previously belonged to US citizens.
- In 1913, when the 16th amendment was fraudulently declared ratified and the Federal Reserve was unconstitutionally created.
- In 1861, when the southern states walked out of Congress. Congress no longer had a quorum. President Lincoln issued the first executive order to get the Federal government going again. Technically, the USA has been operating under martial law ever since.
- In 1787, when the US Constitution was ratified. Why do a handful of people have the right to impose a government on everyone else? The only valid way to form a government is by unanimous consent of the government. Even then, people should have the right to withdraw their consent later. Otherwise, the majority have the right to steal from the minority. What right do people who lived 200 years ago have to impose a contact on me? The US Constitution was not a voluntary contract by any reasonable standard. The Federal government was illegimate from the time it was first created. The US Constituion could only be considered to be a binding contract on the people who signed it.
The word bankruptcy is too often used as a catchall. People in business know there is a difference between insolvency and bankruptcy. When Bretton Woods collapsed, that was not Chapter 7 bankruptcy. That was insolvency, which ended with a reorganization (Chapter 11).
What is your definition of bankruptcy? If by “bankruptcy”, you mean “default on a promise”, then bankruptcy did occur in 1933 and 1971.
If by “bankruptcy”, you mean “completely cease operating as a business”, then that will occur in approximately 20 years (according to my estimates).
The US government entered the equivalent of chapter 11 bankrupty in 1933 and 1971. However, at some point, you must emerge from bankruptcy or be liquidated. The US government is headed towards chapter 7 more than it’s headed towards returning to sound principles.
I believe Chapter 7 is much closer to a true bankruptcy than Chapter 11, which in my opinion, is insolvency followed by a reorganization for solvency.
If you believe the US will cease operating as a political, ideological or military entity in 20 years, I have some oceanside property to sell you near Regina Saskatchewan. There may be a moment of weakness where people can make some changes, but the world’s largest military and bureaucracy, like the foreclosed houses in Nevada, California and Arizona will not go “poof”! Someone will step in, finance and take control of arguably the world’s largest collection of assets.
What was fraudulent about that? If anything the 14. was illegaly ratified. The 16. is perfectly fine.
Is there something to read about the history of corporate and company law beyond the Angry Philosophy Students attacks?
A guy did some research and concluded that the 16th amendment was fraudulently declared ratified. I consider all government to be fraud, so that specific point isn’t my main concern.
My only concern is that if the dollar collapses, the banks and corporations are going to start buying up everything once run by the government, i.e. roads, water supply, the postal service, the state of New York, Kansas, Texas, etc. Then we will have become a corporation, if we’re not one already.
w/ the liberty student post:
Just curious, if the dollar/economy collapses, what will those banks and corporations be buying everything up with, exactly? Also, same question - if this happens, how, exactly would the USA be able to continue functioning at all - the political entity will lose complete credibility with the people now in shockdown, the whole ideological entity will be out the window as it would be pretty apparent to anyone who isn’t retarded that the American Dream is a joke, and without funding to maintain a military, I do not see how the USA will continue to function in this state.
I can see the people left over organizing to rebuild and keep going, etc. but as corrupt as the “enforcement” arm of governments have become, I think it would be far closer to what happened in New Orleans post Katrina/Rita - majority of the cops bailed out and refused to even show up, not even out of simple compassion - they wouldn’t be compensated, and their primary concerns were their own interests and that of their families. Even the guard units that were sent - I think the same would apply - if they weren’t going to be compensated and the economy was hosed and there was no further worth to the dollar, the “government” would have no real way to compel the enforcers to do anything at all, and most would likely bail to serve their own interest first because it is an absolute fact that ALL military and ALL law enforcement, even all of the federal agents such as BATF, FBI, etc. are only doing what they do, corrupt or not, for no other reason than they have a job and all and are getting a paycheck. That paycheck is their incentive. Very few would hang in there out of the goodness of their hearts to “enforce” anything, and if those would then it’s a sure bet they’re not going to just turn into sociopaths and act abusively on some government order. If the enforcers aren’t being compensated and cannot be compensated for an indefinite period of time, and the enforcers know that there is no further guarantee to their paycheck, the government is disabled as far as controlling anything or anyone.
Most of the agencies set up to provide any real assistance to the public, or those agencies who are not integral to the maintenance of “running the country” would likely be the first ones chopped, their employees without any jobs.
I can see no reason for optimism here for the continuation of any government for very long, once the reality and implications of the situation settle on the population itself - that this government let/caused this to happen at all would seem to be the final straw and they would drastically lose consent of the people to go along with anything they wanted to come off with for their “security and protection” and probably under those circumstances, the “government” would largely be overestimating their power by fiat of the people, so sending any “enforcers” available to “enforce” anything would very likely result in the “enforcers” being shot down in their tracks.
I am sure, however, that various elements of those in the government have protected themselves with other assets, gold, etc. but hording it will do them little good - it would come down to whether they wanted to pass it to new hands to have someone to protect them from the pissed off population or to pass it to new hands to obtain food, clothing, shelter. The other option is to find some other country that didn’t also have its entire economy collapse in the domino round of collapses.
Lots of the conspiracy theorists might feel that there is a shadow government or a “they” group out there who have systematically installed what they intend to be labor camps so their illegitimate private militia Blackwater can herd the unruly people into camps, and turn the whole situation into their opportunity for “global enslavement” but I find that really hard to fathom, because if the economies collapse, and the currency is worthless, it’s just as worthless to the “they” and “they” combined simply do not have enough alternative forms of currency to keep the enforcers in business enslaving the population - in that sort of circumstance. It would be more akin to a short lived last dying gasp at a power grab for the gun, but the risk to the enforcers would escalate far greater than it is today while things are still civil and calm.
Send a few billion people to the brink of starvation around this globe and the secret cartel of globalist elite will be running for cover, especially if it came clear they caused this to happen. There won’t be anywhere on this planet they’ll be safe for very long. And if there aren’t any globalist elite with shadow agendas to rule the world, then the fact is that the government in full is simply inept and incompetant, and the crashing and burning of the US economy is the fruit by which it will be known, and disavowed.
Is there something I’m missing?