I might as well jump in feet first here - Social Security destroyed American sovereignty

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The FED bankrupted the U.S. government in the 1930’s with its counterfeit money loans. This is evidenced by the correlation between the United States Code (U.S.C.) and the Code of Federal Regulations (C.F.R.): title 11 U.S.C., “Bankruptcy”, is implemented by title 11 C.F.R., “Federal Elections”. Our vote is simply to elect a bankruptcy “administration”.

However, bankrupting the government wasn’t enough to make Americans pay the interest on its funny money loans. The individual American is sovereign, not the government. So the FED-owned-government created Social Security to enslave all Americans. The “Form SS-5” is a federal employment form. After all, only a federal employee would be liable for federal employment taxes.

You’ve heard the name of the federal employee every day of your life - the “taxpayer”. “Taxpayer” is a legal term defined at 26 C.F.R. 2.1-1(a)(5) as a member of the Merchant Marine - a federal employee. At 26 C.F.R. 2.1-1(b) it states that this is the definition of the term as used throughout the Internal Revenue Code and the regulations for all calculation of taxes.

An American gave away all sovereignty by applying for a S.S.#. There are no constitutional guarantees for federal employees.

The FED owns the government and you work for the government. The FED owns you!

See the entire Social Security Scam at LLSTULER.wordpress.com for more.

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Ask yourself, Larry…do you really think the federal government needs exotic legal manuevering to “enslave” you into tax bondage? You are taxed to the hilt and made to participate in social security for one reason only - they have the guns and support of a majority of Americans, who don’t really care about legal interpretation.

And by the way, welcome to the forums!

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Thanks for the welcome. Actually I’ve been reading Austrian economics for a long, long time.

As to your question, the government must follow the law in the court system. So, the only way that a sovereign American could be charged in any kind of regulatory complaint is to have legal recourse to do so. That’s why they had to create Social Security. When an American checks the box marked “U.S. citizen” it is prima facie evidence that that American has U.S. possession citizenship. A “U.S. citizen” is defined at 26 U.S.C. sec. 2501(b) and then exemplified at 26 C.F.R. 25.2501-1(c) as a person born in one of the sovereign States who then establishes a residence in Puerto Rico and, further, acquires Puerto Rican citizenship. Then when the American gets a S.S.#, that American is now a “taxpayer” - a federal employee.

The definition of “U.S. resident” is the combination of both of the legal terms “U.S. citizen” and “taxpayer”. This is the hidden charge in the I.R.S. indictment. It was what the Census Bureau used to address your questionnaire.

See the definitions from the actual statutes from the U.S.C. and the regulations from the C.F.R. at http://wp.me/pCW6e-3g on my Blog. I have actual copies of the court tampering with the docket in my attempt to have the court rule on the sufficiency of the I.R.S. indictment because it didn’t go to the particulars of the charge.

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Oh dear Freud, this isn’t the “gold fringed flag equals martial/marine law” thing rehashed, isn’t it?

Even if you were completely right, what difference would it make? If a loophole was found/exposed in the very laws that enable Congressfolk to live their luxurious lifestyles, they’d get together and close them. It’d be nothing more than a pedantic waste of resources.

Besides, the US isn’t the only country with these kinds of government Ponzi schemes. I’ve never heard loophole theories for things like Britain’s National “Insurance” system or the Spanish income tax.

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“So the FED-owned-government created …”

Funny, I see FED lobbyists lobbying the government against an audit and not the other way around.

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Crankdom.

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As to the idea that there is a loophole, you are missing the point. There is no such thing as a loophole from the tenet expressed in the Declaration of Independence that “all men are created equal”. Under such a tenet no person or group of people, including gov’t, may ever use coercion (initiatory fraud or force) against another person or group of people. The funny thing is that the gov’t seems to be the only one that understands this. All the Republican and Democrat arguing is just a dog and pony show.

The government only has jurisdiction over foreign commerce, interstate commerce, and trade with the Indians. Each of these jurisdictions is listed separately in title 28 U.S.C., “Judiciary and Judicial Procedure”, chapter 85, “District Courts; Jurisdiction”. Section 1336, “Surface Board Transportation Orders”, which was renamed from “Interstate Commerce Commission Orders” in 1995, is the interstate commerce jurisdiction. Section 1362, “Indian Tribes”, is obviously the trade with the Indians commerce. And section 1340, “Internal revenue; customs duties”, is the foreign commerce jurisdiction.

By checking the box “U.S.citizen” on the application for a S.S.# you have given the government prima facie evidence that you have U.S.possession citizenship. A “U.S. citizen” is exemplified at 26 C.F.R. 25.2501-1(c) as a person born in one of the sovereign states who then establishes a residence in Puerto Rico and, further, acquires Puerto Rican citizenship. This regulation then references back to title 26 U.S.C. section 2501(b) where it states that this is the definition as used throughout the Code.

By getting a S.S. #, you became a federal employee - the “taxpayer”, a member of the Merchant Marine. The legal term “U.S.resident” contains both of the terms “taxpayer” and “U.S.citizen” within its definition.

The Supreme Court decisions all stated that the gov’t always had the power to tax income and, as well, that the 16th Amendment did not extend the taxing powers of the gov’t. Therefore, the income that is being taxed must be within one of the gov’t’s jurisdictions. It’s within foreign commerce.

Your Census Bureau questionnaire was addressed to “RESIDENT”. The Customs Bureau is within the Dept of Commerce. Title 15 U.S.C., “Commerce and Trade”, is implemented by title 15 C.F.R., “Commerce and Foreign Trade”. Everything that the gov’t is doing now is under the foreign commerce jurisdiction. That is the significance of the “gold-fringed flag” that you mentioned at the top of your comment.

Once all of this is exposed, which I’m trying my best to do now, we can restore our freedoms. All of this and much, much more is on my Blog at LLSTULER.wordpress.com

By the way, why do you think that BP is controlling everything in the Gulf now? There is a legal reason for this: the U.S.doesn’t have exclusive ownership of the Mississippi River. Article VI of the Constitution states that anything done under the Articles of Confederation is still in effect. The Peace Treaty of 1783 gave both the U.S.and Great Britain access to the Mississippi River. See http://wp.me/pCW6e-5X for the actual laws that evidence this to be true.

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You’re not supposed to know that the FED owns the gov’t. That’s the point I’m trying to make, among many others. Congress is just a dog and pony show for us, while the FED does whatever it wants to behind the scenes. They’re never going to say “Hey, we own the gov’t”.

Look at Obamacare - the vast majority didn’t want this, but the FED wants to expand gov’t power at all times.

If you have a S.S. #, you are a federal employee. If you checked the box “U.S. citizen”, you are presumed to have U.S. possession citizenship.

By checking the box " citizen" on the application for a S.S.# you have given the government prima facie evidence that you have possession citizenship. A “U.S. citizen” is exemplified at 26 C.F.R. 25.2501-1(c) as a person born in one of the sovereign states who then establishes a residence in Puerto Rico and, further, acquires Puerto Rican citizenship. This regulation then references back to title 26 U.S.C. section 2501(b) where it states that this is the definition as used throughout the Code.

By getting a S.S. #, you became a federal employee - the “taxpayer”, a member of the Merchant Marine. The legal term " resident" contains both of the terms “taxpayer” and " citizen" within its definition.

The FED owns the gov’t and the gov’t owns YOU!

Please go to my Blog at LLSTULER.wordpress.com and see the laws for yourself. I am making no guesses or presumptions.

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I have no idea what “Crankdom” means, but I assume that you never bothered to read the actual laws on my Blog. I am making no guesses here. I am simply the messenger showing you the law as it is written in the United States Code and the Code of Federal Regulations.

Did you know that the United States doesn’t own the Mississippi River? See http://wp.me/pCW6e-5X for the actual laws that evidence this to be true. This is why BP is controlling the media concerning the oil spill.

Did you know that internal revenue is a subset of customs? See http://wp.me/pCW6e-3Z for the actual laws.

Did you know that F.I.C.A. is a federal employee tax imposed in the U.S. possessions? See http://wp.me/pCW6e-5i for the actual laws.

Did you know that the medicine and drug laws are internal revenue laws? See http://wp.me/pCW6e-4M for the actual laws.

Do you know what a violation of “willful failure to file” is really based upon? See http://wp.me/pCW6e-1y - it has nothing to do with what you believe it to be.

Go read the laws for yourself at LLSTULER.wordpress.com - we’ve been brainwashed all of our lives. But it’s going to end.

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" The FED owns the gov’t and the gov’t owns YOU! "

Unless you’re going to attribute super natural like powers to the Fed, then you must logically reason in order to discover where from and how it derives its power. It’s “power” is a prerogative granted to it by legislation granting it, among other things, a legal monopoly over the money supply. Now, to say that the Fed buys its powers is a circular argument, for its purchasing power is itself a function of the government.

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The FED is a private corporation. It bankrupted the U.S. government in the 1930’s. So when I say the “FED-owned-government”, that’s what I mean. As I’ve shown, the C.F.R. evidences this. The C.F.R. didn’t exist until the mid-1930’s, since there was no bankruptcy before this. In 1935 the Social Security Act was approved by Congress, in 1936 the Merchant Marine Act of 1936 was approved by Congress, and in 1939 the Internal Revenue Code of 1939 was put together from the original internal revenue laws, the Social Security Act, and the Merchant Marine Act. In 1939, the government had its first reorganization. Reorganization is a bankruptcy process. Of course, the FED is never going to say to the public, “Hey, we own the U.S. gov’t through bankruptcy”. The Republican and Democrat fights in Congress are always based on who is going to have power over who. In a free society where “all men are created equal”, no one has power over anyone else. One cannot convey a power that one does not have to any government agent.

The government is proceeding under the foreign commerce clause. Internal revenue is a subset of customs. Title 28 U.S.C., “Judiciary and Judicial Procedure”, chapter 85, “District Courts; Jurisdiction”, lists the three commerce jurisdictions of the federal government separately. Section 1340, “Internal revenue; customs duties”, is foreign commerce.

Please read the information on my Blog at LLSTULER.wordpress.com since I cannot possibly relay all the information in one simple response.

I’m not inferring anything, I’m not making guesses, and I’m not making presumptions. I am simply exposing the actual statutes and regulations.

I have been involved in federal court cases for over 9 years and the Federal Court/Dept of Justice tag team have done everything in their power to avoid the actual law. They are now trying to avoid ruling on the constitutionality of an Act of Congress - this is the most basic challenge to jurisdiction and the sworn duty of the courts.

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Larry, have you heard any members of Congress, or of the Executive branch, talk about legal, constitutional, or economic issues? It’s like listening to a monkey trying to recite poetry. These people in Washington haven’t a clue as to the constitutional implications of their actions. Even if your theories were airtight, it wouldn’t matter, because even if you could convince members of the federal government of this they would ignore it and continue acting as they are. The general masses don’t care either, whether right or wrong, legal or illegal, constitutional or unconstitutional, they want their entitlements. You think welfare queens, corporate cronies, or government employees are going to be shocked into shame that their payments are stemming from clever constitutional legal manuevering? That they would suddenly become legal and constitutional watchdogs upon hearing this?

It’s pointless. They are going to do what they want, because nobody cares about the Constitution anymore beyond rhetorical lip-service to score political points.

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I agree that most of the bureaucrats in D.C. haven’t a clue about anything.

But the courts and the Dept of Justice do know the actual law. That’s where I’m at. Everything that the Courts are ruling on and the cases that the DOJ are prosecuting are all based upon the underlying foreign commerce clause.

In 1791, Congress approved the Act that initiated “internal duties” in the U.S. This was the tax on stills and the stills’ distillate. It led to the Whiskey Rebellion. It was a tax on an intrastate activity and, therefore, unconstitutional. The collectors of this tax were held to be the same ones that collected the revenue from the previous revenue acts - customs collectors. The gov’t hid the fact that these collectors are within the Customs. The gov’t called it the Whiskey Rebellion in order to prevent anyone from challenging the constitutionality of the Act. This was the way to use foreign commerce to undermine the Constitution.

This Act from 1791 is the predecessor of the ATF. The IRS is based upon an income tax approved in 1861 that applies to the collectors of these “internal duties”.

After the bankruptcy, then the Social Security fraud was unleashed to enslave Americans. Once you have applied for a S.S.# and checked the box “U.S. citizen”, you have become subject to the host of Socialistic federal regulatory agencies.

So without the Act of Congress approved on March 3, 1791, there could be no “internal duties”, so no ATF. Then there could be no IRS to collect the “internal duties”. Therefore, no Social Security to turn everyone into a federal employee. No EPA, FDA, FCC, FTC, SEC, Dept of Education, Dept of Commerce, Dept of Education, ad nauseam.

The gov’t filed a complaint against me in 2008 based upon fraudulent IRS taxes and I filed a counterclaim challenging the constitutionality of the Act of Congress approved on March 3, 1791. The District Court worked hard with the DOJ to avoid doing its sworn duty. After 8 months they simply ruled on parts of my counterclaim without addressing the first count - the constitutionality. So I filed an interlocutory appeal that would amount to a mandamus to force the District Court to rule on the constitutionality of the Act. After another 6 months the Appellate Court dismissed the entire appeal stating that it didn’t have jurisdiction over an interlocutory appeal. So now I’m trying to appeal the final order of the District Court that came down at the end of January of this year. They are actually trying to prevent me from my right to appeal since they know that I will immediately challenge this Act.

You’re right that the bureaucrats don’t know a thing, but it’s not them that I care about. The Federal Courts know what is really going on. I’m going to expose it all. That’s what my Blog at LLSTULER.wordpress.com is all about. The government is actually obeying the laws under the provisions of the Constitution through this massive subterfuge. It is not that the government is doing anything that it wants in violation of the Constitution. It cannot do that. It is proceeding under foreign commerce and considering us all “U.S. residents”.

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“The FED is a private corporation.”

Says who? Prove it! And don’t tell me Congress made it so because then it’s game over for your “Fed owned government” conspiracy.

And please try to respond to the point and not by a lengthy story.

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Larry, how could one possibly believe that the federal courts are made up of a bunch of esoteric legal wizards who are keepers of the one, true constitutional and legal interpretation? Are they a secret society of some sort that, once assigned to the bench, some grand dragon takes them into a back room and explains the real truth behind the legal system? Because, these guys are appointed by the clueless bureaucrats we previously discussed, so naturally some educative process would have to be in place in order for the judges to act in concert against these arguments (which they have for eons, as I’m sure you’re aware).

It just doesn’t add up. What’s the endgame? What are you hoping for? Best case scenario, by some miracle Congress repeals the acts. Okay, then what? They’ll just carry on anyway because nobody cares. The point you ignore is that people want this system and don’t care about the Constitution. Your assertion that they “can’t” do anything in violation of the Constitution is outright bonkers. The Constitution is not a magical piece of paper and restricts absolutely nothing. But it can be manipulated in a number of ways, I’ll grant. What you’re obsessed with is the legalese that was put in place to first justify vast expansions of federal power that the parchment’s words wouldn’t allow for. So the laws themselves were written in way so they could be defended in the courts if necessaey–back when people still revered the Constitution. But today, as I’ve said before, nobody cares…I talk to people regularly who ridicule it as an anitquated piece of history, who openly say they don’t care whether this or that measure is constitutional.

It’s dead letter, my friend. The feds rule through legislative fiat, rubber stamped by the executive and its appointees on the bench. Limited government failed. Like I said, all parties of the federal government have an interest in keeping the game going irrespective of whether your descriptions are accurate or not. People do not care about legalese, and judges appointed to the bench are ideologues and nitwits just like the people who put them there.

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I see what you are driving at. Yes, there was the Federal Reserve Act. But all corporations are owned by the shareholders. The “Brushaber” decision from 1916 which the IRS holds up to say that the income tax is constitutional was between Brushaber, a shareholder, and the Union Pacific Railroad Company. So the Fed is a corporation owned by its shareholders. Someone listed the shareholders on another website, but I cannot find it right now (it included the usual suspects, the Rothschilds, etc.).

The best background that I’ve read about the private nature of the FED is “The Creature from Jekyl Island”.

The Treasury prints the money and the FED only pays the Treasury the cost of the ink and paper. The FED then loans the money back to the Treasury. What a deal! That’s where the interest on the loans comes from. The Treasury could simply print the money itself - why issue bonds at interest in order to put its own money in circulation?

The international counterfeiters (FED, IMF, World Bank, etc.) have bankrupted nearly every western country. Dunn and Bradstreet list the United States and Great Britain as bankrupt corporations.

Title 11 U.S.C., “Bankruptcy”, is implemented by title 11 C.F.R., “Federal Elections”. The gov’t is a bankrupt entity.

Social Security made you into a federal employee - this is the real message. The regulatory agencies have no jurisdiction over sovereign citizens, but they all have jurisdiction over federal employees.

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I wondered about that, too. After all the judges have worked their way up the ladder like any bureaucrat. But after some time in federal court with my various cases I found out something that may explain it.

I filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) complaint trying to get some of my own Social Security earnings - something that is required by the law. I went to court and a Magistrate Judge handled the proceedings. (I did get my records).

I filed a FOIA concerning the definition of “taxpayer”. When the IRS wouldn’t answer directly as required by the law, I filed a suit under the FOIA provisions. This time, the District Attorney was not at the proceedings - the gov’t sent an attorney from the DOJ. And this time it was not in front of a Magistrate Judge, but a full fledged District Judge. The Magistrate Judges don’t know the actual law concerning this information.

I later found out that when someone is appointed to be a Federal Judge that they have to go to a “Federal Judge School” - one is supposedly near Reno and one is somewhere on the East Coast from what I read.

No one is supposed to understand the actual laws. Where we’re at has been surreptitiously done over 200 years. The laws are now written by legislative draftsmen who are privy to the actual laws. The Representatives are supposed to write the laws, but as you said, they’re a bunch of nitwits.

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" I see what you are driving at. Yes, there was the Federal Reserve Act"

So the Congress creates the Fed. Private organizations are such if and only if they are created by the voluntary initiative of private individuals exercising their basic individual right of the freedom of association.

Anything else is a sham, a mere formality, or just a piece of paper.

Let me ask you this: If the government said the Fed was a hot-dog, would you concur? It even put it on a piece of nice formal paper and approved it by majority vote.

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The FED is a private corporation.

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As I said, a corporation is owned by the shareholders. All corporations are government creatures. Since the shareholders of the FED are dealing in counterfeit money, it’s easy enough to identify who bankrupted the gov’t.

Regardless, the whole point of my Blog is not about the bankruptcy of the gov’t (even though the C.F.R. evidences the bankruptcy). My Blog is about the Social Security Scam and it stands on the actual statutes and regulations. Please read the Blog at LLSTULER.wordpress.com and learn how sovereign Americans lost that sovereignty by becoming federal employees subject to a host of federal regulatory agencies. The name of the federal employee is “taxpayer”. “Taxpayer” is defined at 26 C.F.R. 2.1-1(a)(5) as a member of the Merchant Marine. At 26 C.F.R. 2.1-1(b) it states that this is the definition of the term as used throughout the Code and the regulations for all calculation of taxes.

On the main page of my Blog is a copy of the actual court document that I filed in federal case # 08-273 that evidences how to navigate through the IRS Code.

A crime is when you have a perpetrator and a victim. That upholds the tenet that “all men are created equal”. But when a person is charged with a violation of a federal regulation, there is no victim, just a slave and a slave holder. This all came to be by applying for a S.S.#.

When you follow the journey into the IRS Code starting with section 932(a) “Treatment of U.S. Residents”, which is limited by section 934, which leads to section 958, you will find that all “U.S. residents” are treated as “U.S. shareholders”. This is where the real dirt is. You are receiving a dividend as said “U.S. shareholder” that includes the income from the collection of “internal duties” which, in turn, subjects you to the income tax. The income tax was approved in 1861 as a tax on the collectors of “internal duties”. Again, all of this is evidenced with the actual statutes, regulations, and Acts of Congress from the government’s own legal sites.

Whether you want to believe that the FED is behind this bankruptcy doesn’t matter. It’s Social Security that is the big scam. It is not an insurance program run by a benevolent gov’t - it was created to take America down the road to full blown Socialism.

A sovereign American has no nexus with the federal gov’t. But a federal employee is subject to the gov’t’s regulations.

A sovereign American is not under the federal gov’t’s jurisdiction, but a U.S. possession citizen is. By checking the box on the S.S. application marked “U.S. citizen”, you gave the gov’t prima facie evidence that you have U.S. possession citizenship. A “U.S. citizen” is a person born in one of the States who then establishes a residence in Puerto Rico and, further, acquires Puerto Rican citizenship. (This is the actual example from the regulations at 26 C.F.R. 25.2501-1(c)). This regulation then references back to 26 U.S.C. section 2501(b) where it states that this is the definition of the term “citizen” as used throughout the Code.

The combination of the terms “taxpayer” and “U.S. citizen” is known as the “U.S. resident”. This is the hidden charge in the IRS indictment. The Census Bureau questionnaire was addressed to “RESIDENT”. The Census Bureau is within the Dept of Commerce. Title 15 U.S.C., “Trade and Commerce”, is implemented by title 15 C.F.R., “Trade and Foreign Commerce”. Everything is foreign commerce.

On my Blog is a Post about the “U.S. resident”. I challenged the sufficiency of the IRS indictment for using the term “U.S. resident” and not defining all the elements of the crime. On that Post I have actual copies of the court docket that evidence the docket tampering by the gov’t in order to avoid sitting in judicial review of my brief. You don’t need any legal expertise to see the docket tampering.