Is this colonialism, or even imperialism?

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Whether you (or I) like it or not, a less taxing government is less criminal than a more taxing one, regardless of ‘nationality’.

If a government A demands out of 100 of its citizens 20 dollars in taxes and twenty citizens are happy to pay while the other eighty pay only because of the underlying threat of force then that government has stolen 1600 dollars.

If a government B demands out of 100 of its citizens 60 dollars in taxes and eighty citizens are happy to pay while the other twenty pay only because of the underlying threat of force then that government has stolen 1200 dollars.

Now tell me which government is more evil, the government that stole 1600 dollars or the government that stole 1200 dollars???

Jesus!

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More ridiculous nonsense.

Who on earth cares about your preferences ? You are unable to understand that IF you pay voluntarily THEN it is not a tax.

Yeah, but your neighbour, who has the same skin colour as you do and speaks the same language you speak is paying at the point of a gun. Of course, you don’t give a damn because ‘self-determination’ trumps individual rights.

Boy, I love doublethink. Freedom is Slavery, I guess ? If they’ve volunteered anyway, why were they conscripted at the point of a gun ?

Well, that’s the kind of false assertion that a nationalist like you will make, because, you see, you are trying to pass your collectivistic nationalism as…what ? Libertarianism ? Give me a break.

Rothbard said pigs fly so it must be true! It seems that some libertarians thought that pandering to racists and conservatives would be a good idea. Obviously it was not.

So…here’s is Rothbard saying something 100% correct but pretending it is not.

Libertarians are, by and large, as fiercely opposed to ethnic nationalism as the global democrats, but for very different reasons. Libertarians are generally what might be called simplistic and “vulgar” individualists. A typical critique would run as follows: "There is no nation; there are only individuals. The nation is a collectivist and therefore pernicious concept. The concept of ‘national self-determination’ is fallacious, since only the individual has a ‘self.’ Since the nation and the State are both collective concepts, both are pernicious and should be combated.

The thing is, Rothbard was a libertarian himself, but in this case, for some practical, or rather opportunistic reason that escapes me, he was talking as if he was not.

In addition, the libertarian, especially of the anarcho-capitalist wing, asserts that it makes no difference where the boundaries are, since in a perfect world all institutions and land areas would be private and there would be no national boundaries

Maybe Rothbard had multiple personality disorder and forgot that he was an anarcho-capitalist as well ?

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So you were not jet finished wasting time on me were you? Sweet contradiction, eh?

If you can`t understand there are Americans who would rather be conscripted for 10 years into the US Army than for 1 day into the Soviet Army then you live in a cocoon someplace.

Yeah, but your neighbour, who has the same skin colour as you do and speaks the same language you speak is paying at the point of a gun. Of course, you don’t give a damn because ‘self-determination’ trumps individual rights.

You are putting words in my mouth. A classical tactic of fanatics without arguments.

I will not deal with the rest of your post. It is far too tedious. You even seem to know what Rothbard meant better than the man himself, eh?

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There’s no doubt that Rothbard was praising nationalism, racism and other niceties and trying to dismiss libertarians as “vulgar” – What you don’t get is that Rothbard’s opportunistic support for those positions doesn’t imply that the positions are correct. Of course, they are not.

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“As a group of people(rulers) who claim ‘ownership’ over other people(subjects) living(or born) in certain area. Since government officials believe they own their subjects they think they are entitled to rob them (taxing), enslave them (conscription), etc. All known governments fit this description.”

That is just a exaggerated personal definition of government. I am no friend of government but the definition that is “better” would be to say an institution which exercises political power through laws and regulations placed on its citizenry. The example I gave, the community establishing a “government”, is itself an institution of authority over those who voluntarily enter into it and live their lives by the rules and regulations set in place by the establishment (to be governed).